Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don't Trivialize Gun Culture

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CharlieDeltaJuliet: I'm not talking about people who VOTE Democrat. I'm talking specifically about Democratic politicians.

The only ones I see talking pro gun are ones in rural states where they would lose their seats for talking against it. Even these clowns are wanting more "common sense" restrictions.

There are lots of pro gun people who are aligned with the Democrat party. It is their leaders that aren't pro gun.
 
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Apparently it is being silent while others tee off on liberals.
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Yeah, funny how enforcement of board rules seem to get a little more lax when it comes to left bashing. It will go on and on until somebody finally says something back and then bam, suddenly the thread is locked.
 
I'll have to give this one to Slick Willie. He obviously gets it.
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What he gets and was saying is that the first AWB was politically costly and that the pro2A advocates are not to be thought of as trivial opponents. Not that an AWB can't be attempted, but that it can't be done using the approach taken in the first effort. He's recommending a grass roots effort to push it using modern communications like Move On and DU can marshal (which is what we're doing too).

The frightening thing is that not only does he recognize the errors made back then, but that there are suggestions to compensate for those to make for a more effective drive to an AWB.

What WE need to do with this article is point out that Clinton is warning Antis not to trivialize RKBA advocates or they'll be defeated and/or penalized as the Antis were during his administration. WE also need to point out that the backlash against the Antis then was borne of a grassroots movement as much as political elites and the NRA and that this grassroots lesson is even better engrained in RKBA advocates. We vote more and spend more on RKBA politically than the Antis and any politician that supports an AWB will suffer the same fate as Clinton's colleagues after the AWB became law in 1994.
 
hso,

I agree. I think we need a focused, highly visable campaign against all of the current politicians who vote for, or even propose anti 2nd amendment laws. Especially NY and federal opponents of the 2nd amendment. They need to see the backlash, and put the fear of unemployment into other would be gun grabbers.
Not just vauge republican or NRA funds, but specific funds, proffessional and volunteer campaigns against these specific traitors to our Constitution for these specific actions.
 
Yeah, funny how enforcement of board rules seem to get a little more lax when it comes to left bashing. It will go on and on until somebody finally says something back and then bam, suddenly the thread is locked.
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If it bothers you that much you could always join a liberal forum and talk guns with them... though they will probably be busy talking about their gun ban strategies.
 
Sadly, many liberals are also just as intolerant of different views as anyone else.

Having said that, the pro-gun movement needs all the allies it can get. If a thousand flaming liberal homosexual gun owners show up in this board tomorrow asking for collective wisdom in protecting their Second Amendment rights, any personal prejudices need to get put aside and those people need to be welcomed.
Or don't. Drive potential allies away... Because that will be so much more effective.
 
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Sadly, many liberals are also just as intolerant of different views as anyone else.

Having said that, the pro-gun movement needs all the allies it can get. If a thousand flaming liberal homosexual gun owners show up in this board tomorrow asking for collective wisdom in protecting their Second Amendment rights, any personal prejudices need to get put aside and those people need to be welcomed.
Or don't. Drive potential allies away... Because that will be so much more effective.
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Why would their sexual orientation, religious beliefs, or political leanings matter on a gun forum?

If they want to learn about guns and the rights that they are given as American citizens, come on in! This is first and foremost a gun forum.

They start talking about back round checks, more laws or stricter ones, or agreement with current proposed anti-gun legislation...well, then that's when you see some of us get a hairy eyeball.
 
Joeschmoe - I am thinking about sending a copy of my next check to the NRA to politicians in other states with a short note that the next check of that amount will go to their opponents if the Second Amendment isn't respected.

Meanmrmustard - if you flip back through this thread, you'll see that some are not able to get past such differences. But they need to if we are going to win this.
 
I am thinking about sending a copy of my next check to the NRA....with a short note that the next check of that amount will go to their opponents if the Second Amendment isn't respected.
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Huh? Here I thought the NRA was all about respecting and protecting our 2nd amendment rights. Did I miss something I should know about? Did the money I recently donated mean I supported anti-2nd amendment movement? Or.... are you confused?
 
Gotcha Kiln, the Democratic Party is really dividing itself. Maybe that is exactly what is needed.

@10MM Mike, you might be surprised. I am a member of a Liberal gun club/forum and they are(the majority) fed up with the recent gun control push. I, like many other Democrats, support the NRA, and vote on a wide band of beliefs. I for one will not have my rights (any rights) infringed on, and always vote accordingly. Believe me, there are still millions of pro-2A Democrats. That has some to do with the Democrat control being lost after the first AWB.

I for one hope that this push for an AWB, cost quite a few their seats. Both Democrats and Republican that are quick to give in on the issues, need to be reminded that they can easily be replaced..
 
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10mm Mike said:
If it bothers you that much you could always join a liberal forum and talk guns with them... though they will probably be busy talking about their gun ban strategies.
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Mike, you make a good point. It is rare to find someone who supports the president and also believes in our 2nd Amendment rights. It is because owning firearms is the ultimate expression of individual freedom and responsibility. People on the left think in terms of group identity rather than the individual. The leftists don't like the idea of individual freedom and responsibility.
 
It really doesn't matter which party you come from as with any war your American and you are to protect the 2nd at all cost as what makes you an American since 1776 .
 
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What WE need to do with this article is point out that Clinton is warning Antis not to trivialize RKBA advocates or they'll be defeated and/or penalized as the Antis were during his administration. WE also need to point out that the backlash against the Antis then was borne of a grassroots movement as much as political elites and the NRA and that this grassroots lesson is even better engrained in RKBA advocates. We vote more and spend more on RKBA politically than the Antis and any politician that supports an AWB will suffer the same fate as Clinton's colleagues after the AWB became law in 1994.
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Exactly the point I made at the end of my earlier post! Let's not get into an argument about the left, or the right. All we need to know is we stand together to defeat this president, his agenda, and defeat his delusions of grandeur that he will become king of the new world order, which includes 2nd amendment, and other infringements. We must keep the pressure on our city, county, state, and U.S. representatives to stop this administration's insanity; punish law-abiding citizens, and molly-coddle criminals! We don't want or need England, or Australia's mistakes inside our borders! We already have one U.K. mistake inside our borders; Piers Morgan.

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Ms Dragon: If you ever decide to move over here, among other challenges leaving home, you will just have to be at home driving on the right side of the road.

Despite your tight gun restrictions, I'm glad that you seem to have access to some nice Enfields etc, though the cost for the gun and ammo might be higher, besides the license etc.

Have watched fellow 'Ozmate' "Jollygreenslug" several times on Youtube.
 
10mm Mike said:
If it bothers you that much you could always join a liberal forum and talk guns with them... though they will probably be busy talking about their gun ban strategies.
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No, The Liberal Gun Club's forum is as full of alarm at the current overreach as everyone here.

Granted there's a fair amount of "right bashing" there that's no different than the "left bashing" on most gun sites.

But apparently there's no middle of the road site. We're all too tuned in to the TV wars that polarize us to sell toothpaste commercials.
 
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Mike, you make a good point. It is rare to find someone who supports the president and also believes in our 2nd Amendment rights. It is because owning firearms is the ultimate expression of individual freedom and responsibility. People on the left think in terms of group identity rather than the individual. The leftists don't like the idea of individual freedom and responsibility.
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Well that is just wrong.

People leaning left enjoy individual freedom and take responsibility just like anyone else. And why would you assume that people on the left all support the president? Or that supporting the president means that you support him on every single issue? There are a lot of liberals who are unhappy with the president these days for a variety of reasons.

Again, this left vs. right stuff is not helping gun rights one bit. We are all here because we support gun rights, why must we always insist on polarizing things?
 
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No, The Liberal Gun Club's forum is as full of alarm at the current overreach as everyone here.

Granted there's a fair amount of "right bashing" there that's no different than the "left bashing" on most gun sites.

But apparently there's no middle of the road site. We're all too tuned in to the TV wars that polarize us to sell toothpaste commercials.
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So true. I'm a member of TLGC but only lasted about 4 posts. Yes they are as fully supportive of the 2A as anyone here. But also yes, they engage in "right bashing", which I find just as offensive as left bashing. We just need to get past the stereotyping and focus on what we have in common.
 
I don't get the left/right, liberal/conservative, etc thing any more. Our country has become so diverse that I believe the majority of people lean left or right by the topic, not by any affiliation. Some things I am left on. Some things I am right on. Certain areas I am conservative and some areas I am liberal. It depends on what is on the plate.

When I register to vote, I don't declare any party because I am not a Democrat or Republican. I look at who represents my interests better than the other. There are pro-gun Democrats and anti-gun Republicans so I vote accordingly. I can't be labeled and I won't be labeled yet many here do so when they read a post they don't agree with. Labeling is unfair and it is wrong unless you know the person's entire history and voting patterns. It is similar to profiling and that cannot help unite our community, only fracture it.
 
I don't consider myself rare and I support the President... I voted for him twice. I also know several other people I hunt and shoot with who are Pro-Obama. Some of the most liberal People I have met are immigrants from Eastern Europe. They all are staunch supporters of Obama and they are also the guys who own the AR and AK Variants... They shoot, but don't hunt... but they do vote and they vote Democrat.

Our second Amendment rights on a national scale would be much more at risk if Romney was sworn in yesterday. Obama isn't going to be able to get the support to pass anything. Romney would of had the backing on the Republican side to get something through Congress and his history in MA as Gov indicates he would have pushed for tougher gun laws.
 
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