Birdshot Damage, Close Range (Photos at link)

[lobo9er]

don't be so sure about your 45 acp either. theres a good video on youtube of a doctors lecture on bullet wounds. Basically most people shot by a pistol run away. He shows a X-ray of a person who was double tapped in the chest with a 40 S&W. The doc says something like "nice double tap right? This guy is doing quite well."

worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA

 

[DHart]

My choice is to defend with 12 ga. buckshot. BUT...

if all I had on hand for defense was bird shot, with a shotgun, I'd aim for the face of the threat.

There's a very strong likelihood that a square hit to the face, within 15'-20' or so, would put a sudden stop to the advance of a threat.

Take out the eyes and he's pretty much done-as a threat to you, not to mention the trauma one would feel from taking a load of birdshot directly to the face at close range. May not be fatal, but it would almost certainly STOP the threat IMMEDIATELY.

 

[italy4nra]

Car accidents at 40mph can be lethal. And yet Some have survived wrecks at 160mph.

Birdshot good.
Buckshot better.
Overpenetration one of many many considerations in any home environment.

The real lesson here is that basic safety is to be followed 100% of the time. I check and clear a gun even when I have held it for more than a few minutes. My buddies call me stupid. I shrug and just try and enjoy the feeling of clearing a deadly weapon. I really like following the 4 rules like a zealot, because I really like not getting shot.

 

[1911Tuner]

In the fall of 1976, a guy who I grew up with...and whose life took a bad turn...was shot in a mobile home with a 20 gauge shotgun at a distance of roughly 25 feet, according to another mutual friend who was the 2nd responder with the Forsyth County Sheriff's office.

Daryl Rothrock, approximate age 23.

Daryl was wearing a zipped denim jacket when he was shot high center chest with a load of #6 shot.

One witness stated that he dropped like a sack of wet laundry...jerked twice...gurgled for a few seconds...and died.

Deputy old friend said that his chest cavity sloshed when the paramedics put him on the gurney.

 

[clavy2]

Not questioning birdshot's damage at close range, I happen to think it is extremely dangerous but the x-ray and pics in the link are of someone's right shoulder, not left.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Prayers sent for this guy, He violated the rules and it cost him a pound of flesh. I would beat my SIL,and if I was the SIL Boss at the PD he would be gunless and on desk duty for at least 90 day plus daily safe gun training too boot.

As for the Birdshot debate Shotguns kill things but I use what the PD does.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Not questioning birdshot's damage at close range, I happen to think it is extremely dangerous but the x-ray and pics in the link are of someone's right shoulder, not left.

LOL, yes it is. Makes you wonder about the story, doesn't it? Generally, people know where they have been shot.

 

[Al Thompson]

What were those pesky 4 rules again?

 

[lemaymiami]

One of the guys I worked with (not on my crew -on another squad) took an almost point blank contact wound to the knee area from a single shot .410. This was a case of a suicidal intoxicated subject holding himself hostage.... A supervisor (who should have known better) instead of allowing the situation to resolve itself with patience and negotiation (while everyone kept to cover) worked his way behind the subject and jumped him from the rear. As they struggled to the ground other officers felt obligated to jump in and during the struggle -that's when the gun fired.

The officer hit in the knee had several surgeries over the years and the last I heard they were still considering removing the lower leg.... Not a good situation, particularly since it didn't have to happen at all... That 410 was a birdshot round and it pretty much blew up the guy's knee....

 

[Fred Fuller]

Defensive firearms trainer Clint Smith says he likes shotguns for defense because they can remove meat and bone. Object lesson, there...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

After clavy2's post and looking at the story more carefully, this all seems very unrealistic. The pictures may be real enough, but the story seems over-the-top and maybe having nothing to do with the story. After doing a variety of searches for ND stories including on a couple of the anti-sites that post such accounts, this story of a police officer with a major self inflicted shotgun shoulder wound in November of 2012 or earlier doesn't show up. Such officer-involved shootings rarely go unnoticed by the media.

That he is a police officer, his son-in-law a Marine, that his son-in-law had formerly shot off one of his own fingers (his "left finger"), that he doesn't even know which shoulder was shot....this all just doesn't add up to a credible story.

 

[LeonCarr]

The shotgun is one of the few shoulder fired small arms that can stop a threat and disassemble a threat at the same time.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[200Apples]

....this all just doesn't add up to a credible story.

I hear ya, but, still... It paints a picture. A picture I don't wish to appear in.