Blackpowder weapons for concealed carry?

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Conseal carry..... and black powder ...Don`t do it ......If your conserned enought to get a cc permit ..buy a good modern revolver , thats easy to conseal ...These black powder revolvers are a good way to keep your revolver shooting skills sharp , but when it comes to self preservation and protecting ones family ...I have to draw a line ..I don`t want any guess work when I have to produce a wepon for self defence ...I don`t carry auto loaders because of the possibility of a one shot then a stove pipe ruining my day ...what can happen will happen .
 
Carrying an autoloader

I carry a S&W M&P 9mm that has no safety to speak of, I just don't chamber a round until it's called for. The M&P is the best shooting auto I've laid my hands on.
 
6gun4fun ...don`t blame ya a bit to carry one you feel most faith in ...like you I don`t and won`t carry a pistol with a round in the chamber ...With a revolver I can keep the hammer down on an empty chamber ..yet when the need arises I can bring it into battery with one hand ...My choice of bullet is the 45 LC ..I`ve only got five shots ...but feel if even one shot from that big slug doesn`t end a fight ...I`m not too sure 16 rounds would eaither ....it is a good feeling to know the pistol of choice inside and out ..and limitations ..for CC.
Thinking about our brothers in the UK and other places that have lost their rights to have cartridge pistols ...well ...lets not ever let that happen to us ..but if I lived there , I would feel safe useing a cap and ball revolver for self defence ...beats a bat ..every time .
 
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I've watched this thread for a long time and thought I would like to add my 2 cents. If you don't have much money and the only thing you own is a cap and ball to protect you and your family than it sure beats a baseball bat, kitchen knife or waiting for the cops to show up. But other than that I think its nuts if you have other choices. We have all had misfires, hangfires, and times when the thing wouldn't do nothing. When your life and your loved ones is on the line it is time to rethink it. I agree with the last poster about semiautos and the chance of a feed problem. I have had an Idaho CCW for 11 years now and have always carried the same weapon and at last count I own 17 handguns. And my weapon of choice of carry to be with me all the time is a 5 shot S&W 640 Stainless 357 magnum in a custom made paddle holster which keeps everything out of sight and out of mind. I shoot it all the time and I know it will fire every time and if it takes more than 5 rounds I will throw up the white flag or call the National Guard. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
 
On the only occasion that I had to use lethal force to defend self and family, the only weapon that was at hand was a '58 Remington. It did the job at the time, although it certainly wouldn't be my first choice.

-And I definitely wouldn't want to try to carry it concealed!
 
Sundance:
I understand your concern with defending oneself & family with one of these types of firearms especially when a more modern weapon like my Colt M1911A1 .45ACP is readily available & possibly more reliable but to me as a secondary weapon they do just fine for the Home Defense role or maybe taking care of a Yote out on the Club when open carry but as far as Concealed carry, I'm not sure I would want to try that.
 
The story of my getting the gun is here. I had gone from Oregon to Huntington Park (a suburb of Los Angeles), California to stay with my grandparents while I finished high school.

The house that I had found for them was perhaps not the best, but the price was right - $17,500.00. The main problem was that it had been the headquarters of a local gang. The neighborhood improved measurably when we bought the house - but I guess not everyone got the word that the place had changed hands.

Anyway, come Christmas Eve my three little girl cousins came to stay the night with grandma and grandpa. I was evicted from the spare bedroom and settled on the couch. A few hours later, their dad came rolling in, drunk as usual. He got the couch and I dossed out under the dining room table.

A few hours earlier I had presented myself with my Christmas present, a Navy Arms '58 Remington that I had actually had for over a year. To make the event official, I loaded and capped the gun and propped it up in the china cabinet as a display.

Sometime after midnight something woke me up. I figured it was my uncle, tossing his cookies, but I rolled over and looked into the kitchen.

Someone was coming in the back door! Automatically, I thought of the shotgun, but it was in the bedroom, clear across the house. Then I remembered the Remington. I rolled over to the china cabinet, popped the door open, grabbed the gun, and rolled back.

I guess he heard me, as he had stopped in the doorway. I was about to yell at him to get out of the house when he reached into the dish drain and pulled out grandpa's huge butcher knife.

That was enough for me! I thumbed back the hammer, lined up on the guy's silhouette as well as I could, and pulled the trigger.
FLASH!! I was blinded and half-deaf! I knew that I had hit him, because the flame and sparks from the muzzle hit him high on the chest - but that was all that I saw for a while. On the other hand, I could hear at least three people yelling and screaming in Spanish. Unacceptable. I lined up on what I thought was someone in the doorway and fired again. More screaming and yelling, but it was getting farther away. Much better.

I hunkered down and waited. A car peeled out in the alley and took off. I waited some more. Still no vision, just stars and stripes. I hear the cousins whispering, grandpa's gruff, "What's going on out there?" Waited some more.

Grandma turns on her bedroom light, peeks into the living room. My uncle's still passed out. The girls are still whispering.

My vision starts coming back. I ease up out of my blankets and head for the kitchen. Slip and almost fall. Stand still and look around. The floor looks odd. Shiny and blotchy. I step carefully around the dark areas and reach the back door and the light switches. Turn on the lights, close the door. There's blood everywhere! Blobs on the floor, spatters on the counters, walls, - even the ceiling. The girls peek our of the bedroom. The oldest starts throwing up. I reach for the phone, call the local police. A woman answers. I tell her that I had shot an intruder. She asks if the intruder is still there. I say, "No."
She asks if there's a body on the premises. Again, "No."
She says that she'll send a unit as soon as possible.

I never did see a police car that night.

By the way, how do you get blood out of acoustic tile?
 
That is one hell of a story OtherWaldo, I'm glad you and your family were unharmed, but it was probably an experience you would have rather not gone through.

I'm amazed the cops didn't show even when there were shots fired...
 
WOW theotherwaldo, Thank God for your quick reflexes & straight shots, the only thing I've shot with any of my C&B Revolvers "in my home that is" was a invading Raccoon that found a hole in the trailers floor to enter into.

Again Thank God..
 
Wow, Theotherwaldo, some story! Glad you weren't hurt. When did this happen?

As far as the police never showing up... I heard that in the 70's the cops were not as concerned about shot intruders as they are now. A guy I knew once was accosted by a black guy in the park trying to rob him at knifepoint. This happened in the 70's in Jersey City or Newark. So the guy I knew (who was a huge white dude, played professional football) wrestled the knife from the robber and stuck him right under the chin, killing him. He then dragged the dead robber to the street and flagged down a police car. The cops heard the story and told him to just throw the body into the bushes and leave, which he did. I guess the cops were different back in a days...

Anyway, the Remington performed admirably as did the owner. Would be interesting to know how that ball performed ballistically. What was the load, if you remember?
 
It happened around 2am, Christmas morning, 1974. Those guys certainly weren't Santa and his helpers, though.

I can't find the powder measure to check, but I'm pretty sure each spoutfull was about 25 grains of fffg, loaded under .451 store-bought round balls and topped with Crisco. Might have been a hair more powder, but the balls still had plenty of space for the Crisco.

I talked with my great-uncle, a retired LAPD officer, not long after the mess happened. He suggested that a unit probably cruised the street out front, saw nothing, and kept going. No way were they going down that alley!
 
I'm glad it turned out well, but there's alot wrong with that story. Did the cops ever show up? Even the next day? Was a report ever taken or given? If not, did you pursue it? I mean, you shot a guy...
 
The police never showed up. No report was ever given or taken. I felt that I had done my part, and I wasn't going to go looking for trouble.

At this point I had just lost almost everything I owned except for my ancient Shasta 14' ham-can trailer, I was still recovering from pneumonia after getting snowed in in the Siskiyou mountains during spring vacation, and I was living away from my parents to let some family problems settle down.

Anyway, I was always taught to say as little as possible to the authorities.
 
Black powder guns have killed more game, indians, and criminals in this country than any smokeless, centerfire weapons ever will. That being said, Why trust your life to a primative weapon that is about as reliable for serious concealed carry as a rock tied to a stick with fishing line?
 
Agree

That being said, Why trust your life to a primative weapon that is about as reliable for serious concealed carry as a rock tied to a stick with fishing line?

Couldn't agree more, I used to own a S&W semi-auto that jammed about every other shot. Traded it real quick. Guess you can get lemons with all makes and models.
 
stevereno1 said:
Black powder guns have killed more game, indians, and criminals in this country than any smokeless, centerfire weapons ever will. That being said, Why trust your life to a primative weapon that is about as reliable for serious concealed carry as a rock tied to a stick with fishing line?

For a every day Concealed Carry Weapon your thoughts have merrit & I agree but my thoughts are this that contradicts your point.

When properly loaded with the right bullet be it a Conical or a Ball & some understanding of how to make the weapon weather resistent "like I do to the ones that I take out open carry to the club & what not" & that the person is proficient with the weapon, the C&B Revolver is quite a reliable firearm & quite potent within a resonable distance.

I've also carried a Knife that was more reliable & potent than some of the firearms that I've seen come accross as a defense weapons.

My point is, I agree that if you have the ability to have a modern firearm of Semi Auto or Revolver design & am legaly able to carry a firearm concealed then your chances are better if you was to use that weapon instead of one that was designed nearly 150 years ago when the time comes to defend oneself but these antique designed revolvers in the right hands can be just as deadly as any other firearm out there & with just a little knowledge can be just as reliable.
 
Stevereno1 said:
Black powder guns have killed more game, indians, and criminals in this country than any smokeless, centerfire weapons ever will. That being said, Why trust your life to a primative weapon that is about as reliable for serious concealed carry as a rock tied to a stick with fishing line?

Lots of hyperbole with no supporting data or references. Kind of appropriate considering the season.
 
Its an Individual Thang

I know this guy who hunts wild hogs with a spear. Has a ball doing it. He's a grown man and that's his choice. I'd be more inclined to use one of those "primitive unreliable" Walkers. But then, that's just me. Most of my C&Bs are pretty functional, might have a problem with a cap on rare occasions. Even then it is never on a first shot. I have read where some people have got bad caps. I can't really say that either. Probably had fewer bad caps than hard or high primers on my center fires. Also, never had a problem with powder. In the 30+ years I have been shooting Black Powder - its been an extremely pleasant experience. Although, I own some modern firearms - I have never felt at a disadvantage stopping at the Sonic drive in for a burger and fries with just a C&B. Guess its an individual thang.
 
The only reason I don't carry a C&B revolver for self defense is because I can't see through a thick cloud of smoke. Around here there are many days with humidity and little wind, so that after the first shot I have to wait a long while for the smoke to clear before I can see anything in front of me. I have a lot of respect and admiration for those men who were expert at using black powder revolvers in gunfights.
 
trickshot said:
The only reason I don't carry a C&B revolver for self defense is because I can't see through a thick cloud of smoke. Around here there are many days with humidity and little wind, so that after the first shot I have to wait a long while for the smoke to clear before I can see anything in front of me. I have a lot of respect and admiration for those men who were expert at using black powder revolvers in gunfights.

That cloud of smoke can also come as an advantage to the shooter though, Say BG had a friend & you just shot BG, the smoke can be a cover screen for the shooter to either get a better advantage of securing cover or just simply getting away.
 
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