Madcap_Magician
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My name came up on the list, but I didn't have the money.
Boberg XR9-S
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I find this curious. Would you not be shooting the gun anyways? Particularly a carry gun? I would find it annoying the gun didn't work right from the get go. Happily my Kahr did. I believe, firmly in fact, that a lot of very valuable training can be done without live fire. That said, 400 rounds is not that many to put through ones carry gun.
DAdams
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"A gun that didn't work right from the get go" is an understatement.
I fully expect to perform the necessary drills and events to qualify a handgun for PD carry.
I have had two handguns in 7 years that failed mechanically. A revolver at fewer than 150 rounds (and 500+ dry fires) and a SA, the PM9 that was wrong right out of the box. Both had to be sent back for repair.
I like to shoot and train but when a handgun begins exhibiting mechanical shortcomings very early on, the range experience becomes an exercise in futility and adds little to nothing to the experience or sometimes required break or wear in other than getting alot of experience clearing FTE or FTF.
Perhaps my expectations are too high (I think not) but I expect also to have the product work out of the box and provide a reasonable service life (a few thousand rounds) prior to repair or replacement. Ammumition issues or operator error not with standing.
I don't want to turn thread this into a new design or break-in philosophy event.
DAdams,
I agree with you about a new carry gun failing, even through a supposed break in period, it spooks me!! The gun may prove out through use or it may fail at an inopportune time. That's why I'm usually leery of buying a pistol that has a break in period.
If the break in is for smoothing the trigger pull that's different to me, ftf, fte, stovepipes, hmmm. I own plenty auto loaders and carry them on occasion but deep down there's something comforting about revolvers.
Good luck with your gun!
I agree with you about a new carry gun failing, even through a supposed break in period, it spooks me!! The gun may prove out through use or it may fail at an inopportune time. That's why I'm usually leery of buying a pistol that has a break in period.
If the break in is for smoothing the trigger pull that's different to me, ftf, fte, stovepipes, hmmm. I own plenty auto loaders and carry them on occasion but deep down there's something comforting about revolvers.
Good luck with your gun!
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DAdams
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I'm 50/50 on failures, one revolver, a new 642-2 and a Kahr PM9. I bought the revolver when the Kahr crapped out. :banghead:
Regarding the Boberg, nothing would surprise me. My patience level may be a bit greater since I have plenty of tried and tested carries now.
DAdams
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Deleted. Double Post.
LOL,
You can't win for lose!! I don't know what went south with your 642 but I hope they fixed it for you. I think the newest Smith revolver I own is a 1965 and they made them better back then.
The Boberg pistols seem well engineered, albeit a tad spendy for me and I hope his pistols prove out. The evolution of the handgun world slowly moves forward and I welcome and appreciate different designs/concepts.
He seems like a stand up guy and it must be tough floating a new gun company off the ground considering the state of the economy. Good luck and happy shooting!!!
You can't win for lose!! I don't know what went south with your 642 but I hope they fixed it for you. I think the newest Smith revolver I own is a 1965 and they made them better back then.
The Boberg pistols seem well engineered, albeit a tad spendy for me and I hope his pistols prove out. The evolution of the handgun world slowly moves forward and I welcome and appreciate different designs/concepts.
He seems like a stand up guy and it must be tough floating a new gun company off the ground considering the state of the economy. Good luck and happy shooting!!!
wally
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Nice photos, I gotta say, just goes to show what an amazing job Kahr did with the PM9/PM40 using a conventional design instead of something exotic that may never be made in significant volumes.
The Kahrs are a lot smaller in height if you lose the mag finger extension.
The Kahrs are a lot smaller in height if you lose the mag finger extension.
DAdams
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Wally
Kahr was the Boberg of their time a decade ago.
http://www.kahr.com/kahr-unique-design.asp
There was a time when a high percentage of PM9 had to be returned and repaired for issues. There was about a 50/50 chance that if you purchased one it would have to go back...at the owners shipping expense some times multiple times.
Barrel peening was one of the most notable first issues.
Mine went back once some five years ago. I stuck with it.
I put 25 rounds through it today.
Along with the first 78 rounds through the Boberg.
Kahr was the Boberg of their time a decade ago.
http://www.kahr.com/kahr-unique-design.asp
There was a time when a high percentage of PM9 had to be returned and repaired for issues. There was about a 50/50 chance that if you purchased one it would have to go back...at the owners shipping expense some times multiple times.
Barrel peening was one of the most notable first issues.
Mine went back once some five years ago. I stuck with it.
I put 25 rounds through it today.
Along with the first 78 rounds through the Boberg.
wally
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The steel framed Kahrs go back about 20 years.
Kahrs are available everywhere at competitive prices, I've yet to see a Boberg in any form other than a photo. The Rohrbaugh, I've actually only seen three offered for sale.
Guns small and light for their caliber often have problems, its universal, even ones as large as the Glock 26 can sometimes be problematic out of the box. The Kimber Solo sure seems off to a rocky start.
I'd be thrilled to see better availability of the Boberg and Rohrbaugh pistols.
Kahrs are available everywhere at competitive prices, I've yet to see a Boberg in any form other than a photo. The Rohrbaugh, I've actually only seen three offered for sale.
Guns small and light for their caliber often have problems, its universal, even ones as large as the Glock 26 can sometimes be problematic out of the box. The Kimber Solo sure seems off to a rocky start.
I'd be thrilled to see better availability of the Boberg and Rohrbaugh pistols.
LightningMan
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UPDATE: Hello, I wasn't sure if I should add to this thread or start a new one, so if a moderator see's a reason to move it, feel free. Anyway, I went to the range today with my Boberg XR9-S & my Kahr PM9 as these pistols are very similar in size. The perpose was to do some tests with my cronograph. These will not be actual dimentions but they are what I get with my calipers.
Kahr; width, .893" (without slide lever-lock) width .980 (with lever). Boberg; width, .960". (lever is within the frame width)
Kahr; height, 4.200" (includes sights).
Boberg; height, 4.240" (includes sights).
Kahr; lenght, 5.530".
Boberg; lenght, 5.110".
Kahr; barrel lenght, 2.800".
Boberg; barrel lenght, 3.187".
Now to my test results, I used Win. brass, & primers. Powder was Win. 231 using 4.3 grs. Bullet was 115 gr. Rainier plated RN.
(Note: I had to shoot the XR9-S loading rounds 1 at a time, as I have had plated bullets come apart, this was to avoid that problem.)
Kahr PM9
1). 909 fps.
2). 886 fps.
3). 916 fps.
4). 903 fps.
5). 887 fps.
6). 902 fps.
7). 914 fps.
8). 927 fps.
9). 869 fps.
10). 903 fps.
Average; 901.6 fps.
Boberg XR9-S
1). 944 fps.
2). 968 fps.
3). 954 fps.
4). 971 fps.
5). 995 fps.
6). 918 fps.
7). 969 fps.
8). 919 fps.
9). 965 fps.
10). 935 fps.
Average; 953.8 fps.
Difference of 52.2 fps.
Note; I did check the average throwing out the high/low readings but it didn't make much difference. (902.5 fps. for the PM9 & 953.1 for XR9-S)
These were my results, yours may vary. LM
Kahr; width, .893" (without slide lever-lock) width .980 (with lever). Boberg; width, .960". (lever is within the frame width)
Kahr; height, 4.200" (includes sights).
Boberg; height, 4.240" (includes sights).
Kahr; lenght, 5.530".
Boberg; lenght, 5.110".
Kahr; barrel lenght, 2.800".
Boberg; barrel lenght, 3.187".
Now to my test results, I used Win. brass, & primers. Powder was Win. 231 using 4.3 grs. Bullet was 115 gr. Rainier plated RN.
(Note: I had to shoot the XR9-S loading rounds 1 at a time, as I have had plated bullets come apart, this was to avoid that problem.)
Kahr PM9
1). 909 fps.
2). 886 fps.
3). 916 fps.
4). 903 fps.
5). 887 fps.
6). 902 fps.
7). 914 fps.
8). 927 fps.
9). 869 fps.
10). 903 fps.
Average; 901.6 fps.
Boberg XR9-S
1). 944 fps.
2). 968 fps.
3). 954 fps.
4). 971 fps.
5). 995 fps.
6). 918 fps.
7). 969 fps.
8). 919 fps.
9). 965 fps.
10). 935 fps.
Average; 953.8 fps.
Difference of 52.2 fps.
Note; I did check the average throwing out the high/low readings but it didn't make much difference. (902.5 fps. for the PM9 & 953.1 for XR9-S)
These were my results, yours may vary. LM
DAdams
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First 72 rounds through the Boberg Platinum Saturday.
All ran without incident:
Remington UMC 124 grain FMJ
Winchester 9mm Nato (white box)
124 grain FMJ
American Eagle
124 grain FMJ
If there was a troublesome round and a portion of the problem may have been operator error was getting the first round in the chamber.
Fiocchi
123 grain
I liked the running of the Fiocchi best. Pretty good leadless range ammo. Think I will order up a few hundred since it worked so well in these small handguns.
I shot the Boberg back to back with my PM9 just for effect. The PM9 was "snappier" and had slightly greater rise.
The full reset requirement of the Boberg was not problematic.
I have some sight issues I need to work through and I may need different rear sight that is slightly taller. The three typical sighting dots were still yielding low POI.
All ran without incident:
Remington UMC 124 grain FMJ
Winchester 9mm Nato (white box)
124 grain FMJ
American Eagle
124 grain FMJ
If there was a troublesome round and a portion of the problem may have been operator error was getting the first round in the chamber.
Fiocchi
123 grain
I liked the running of the Fiocchi best. Pretty good leadless range ammo. Think I will order up a few hundred since it worked so well in these small handguns.
I shot the Boberg back to back with my PM9 just for effect. The PM9 was "snappier" and had slightly greater rise.
The full reset requirement of the Boberg was not problematic.
I have some sight issues I need to work through and I may need different rear sight that is slightly taller. The three typical sighting dots were still yielding low POI.
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tek610
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I have just now discovered that this gun exists, when it was introduced to me on another thread as a possible Kahr alternative. I'm not interested (yet), because of the price, wait list, and new (unproven) design. BUT- I think it's cool that such innovation is happening in my neck of the woods.
I saw "White Bear Lake, MN" on the gun in photos.
Pretty cool- now we can claim more than just Magnum Research
I saw "White Bear Lake, MN" on the gun in photos.
Pretty cool- now we can claim more than just Magnum Research
tek610
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True! It's called the Coonan. I love their slogan- "Looking for your first gun? This isn't it."
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