Bond Arms--Do they need more calibers?

I want one of the Cyclops barrels. Hope they will sell the barrels separately. Unfortunatly the ammo for the Cyclops is extremely expensive. I am seeing $2.37 a round and up at Midway.

Also nice is the Stubby, a 9mm that is in the slim frame like the Stinger has, and looks like a 2" barrel.
 
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Old_Grouch said:
I just saw a video of Bond Arms booth at Shot Show
They've announced a new gun. The Cyclops. .45-70 single shot.
There's an ever so slight chance that I'll convince myself that I need one one. :D
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There are cheaper ways to engage in self flagellation or atonement my friend :rofl:
aaaaa said:
I want one of the Cyclops barrels. Hope they will sell the barrels separately. Unfortunatly the ammo for the Cyclops is extremely expensive. I am seeing $2.37 a round and up at Midway.

Also nice is the Stubby, a 9mm that is in the slim frame like the Stinger has, and looks like a 2" barrel.
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aaaaa said:
Maybe if someone has a lot of .32 ACP to burn up.

I like it, a dedicated .32 ACP revolver with a shorter cylinder! Nice!
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The Young America really is a dandy little revolver, but there are some issues with them that can be corrected if someone ever brought them back. Real sights would be one, I know these are point blank range guns, but I still want sights in case I need to shoot at 10 yards and the YA's don't have a rear sight. Another issue is the cylinder retaining latch uses a spring that is not strong enough and the groove in the center pin will jump the latch and can lock up the cylinder; this can be fixed with a swing out cylinder or a more robust latch like is found on the Pietta Ace 1858 NMA revolver. Beyond that, simply tightening up the barrel/cylinder gap would do wonders for improved velocity.

I'd also make the frame aluminum because .32 ACP isn't that hot of a round that an Aluminum frame couldn't handle it, even one as small as the Young America. That'd reduce the weight another couple ounces.

There'd also be no reason why the cylinder couldn't be cut to accept .32 ACP with a moon clip that way .32 S&W couldn't also be used. In fact, I think I'd rather just have a revolver built around .32 Lg wadcutter as It's not like I'm ever going to trust hollow points to expand from such a short barrel with a barrel cylinder gap in .32 ACP. Heck, make multiple models, one for .32 S&W/.32 ACP and one for .32 wadcutter, maybe even offer dual cylinder model.

We saw in the Lucky Gunner .32 revolver video that .32 wadcutter has the power to penetrate effectively and with low recoil, combining that with such a small revolver would make for a formidable pocket gun or BUG. I'm of the opinion that in a proper .32 S&W chamber that .32 S&W can penetrate effectively (I think the .32 S&W short lost velocity going down the long .327 chamber in the Lucky Gunner video) so there's potential for that too, but reality is .32 wadcutter is far more available, as is .32 ACP.

I would like to see North American Arms bring back the Young America in .32 Lg Wadcutter, but they seem to be pretty focused just on the mini revolvers and the stupid Guardian semi autos that nobody buys anymore. For $300, $350 if they also offer a .32 ACP spare cylinder, I think they would have a major winner.
 
NAA did a 32 HR mag mini revolver prototype that didn't work out and they dropped it. That Stubby is seductive just because and might start a 15 page thread that two is enough. I'll leave that go. I'd bet you Paladin and Yancy Derringer would be all over the Stubby.

The Cyclops is "is one enough for grizzly bears" threads.
 
TTv2 said:
The Young America really is a dandy little revolver, but there are some issues with them that can be corrected if someone ever brought them back. Real sights would be one, I know these are point blank range guns, but I still want sights in case I need to shoot at 10 yards and the YA's don't have a rear sight. Another issue is the cylinder retaining latch uses a spring that is not strong enough and the groove in the center pin will jump the latch and can lock up the cylinder; this can be fixed with a swing out cylinder or a more robust latch like is found on the Pietta Ace 1858 NMA revolver. Beyond that, simply tightening up the barrel/cylinder gap would do wonders for improved velocity.

I'd also make the frame aluminum because .32 ACP isn't that hot of a round that an Aluminum frame couldn't handle it, even one as small as the Young America. That'd reduce the weight another couple ounces.

There'd also be no reason why the cylinder couldn't be cut to accept .32 ACP with a moon clip that way .32 S&W couldn't also be used. In fact, I think I'd rather just have a revolver built around .32 Lg wadcutter as It's not like I'm ever going to trust hollow points to expand from such a short barrel with a barrel cylinder gap in .32 ACP. Heck, make multiple models, one for .32 S&W/.32 ACP and one for .32 wadcutter, maybe even offer dual cylinder model.

We saw in the Lucky Gunner .32 revolver video that .32 wadcutter has the power to penetrate effectively and with low recoil, combining that with such a small revolver would make for a formidable pocket gun or BUG. I'm of the opinion that in a proper .32 S&W chamber that .32 S&W can penetrate effectively (I think the .32 S&W short lost velocity going down the long .327 chamber in the Lucky Gunner video) so there's potential for that too, but reality is .32 wadcutter is far more available, as is .32 ACP.

I would like to see North American Arms bring back the Young America in .32 Lg Wadcutter, but they seem to be pretty focused just on the mini revolvers and the stupid Guardian semi autos that nobody buys anymore. For $300, $350 if they also offer a .32 ACP spare cylinder, I think they would have a major winner.
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I'd really like for the .32 ACP AND .32 S&W type guns to make a come back. I'm a big believer that those are almost the goldilocks level of power for concealability and low recoil for those who need it, while retaining sufficient power for SD.
 
The Cyclops will be more of a shoot it a couple times and add it to the collection guns.

Bond Arms makes/has mad many Derringers that fit in that market. The Poker Hand handgun, the Zombie slayer and such.

I am intrigued with their innovation and and bringing new products on the market.

The Stinger is going to be a hit. The Roughneck and Rowdy are great.

With the Cyclops we may have additions like a 460 S&W. It would be more versatile being able to shoot 454 & 45lc. And a little more tame :confused:
 
TTv2 said:
I would like to see North American Arms bring back the Young America in .32 Lg Wadcutter, but they seem to be pretty focused just on the mini revolvers and the stupid Guardian semi autos that nobody buys anymore. For $300, $350 if they also offer a .32 ACP spare cylinder, I think they would have a major winner.
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Perhaps each of us who desire the .32 should send a comment to NAA. If enough comments/requests come in, maybe they will consider it.
 
aaaaa said:
Perhaps each of us who desire the .32 should send a comment to NAA. If enough comments/requests come in, maybe they will consider it.
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Normally I would say that's talk that's going to fall on deaf ears, but I think NAA is also looking at how they can expand as they've reached the limit of different variations of the mini revolver and the Guardian semi autos barely sell, so reaching out to them and telling them they should take a look at getting back into prototyping a double action revolver along the lines of the H&R Young America with the improvements I suggested could get the ball rolling.
 
TTv2 said:
Normally I would say that's talk that's going to fall on deaf ears, but I think NAA is also looking at how they can expand as they've reached the limit of different variations of the mini revolver and the Guardian semi autos barely sell, so reaching out to them and telling them they should take a look at getting back into prototyping a double action revolver along the lines of the H&R Young America with the improvements I suggested could get the ball rolling.
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I just sent a suggestion to them for a .32 ACP mini and noted the potential for a Young American type design.
Here is their email if any others want to send in their thoughts:
[email protected]
 
aaaaa said:
I just sent a suggestion to them for a .32 ACP mini and noted the potential for a Young American type design.
Here is their email if any others want to send in their thoughts:
[email protected]
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I've only ever emailed them to ask about them doing .32 NAA die sets, but a new product request that's different than any revolver in production today might tickle their fancy enough to discuss it in future design meetings.
 
aaaaa said:
Well I guess I need to get back to the range with the Bond Derringer. I never did give the new .38/.357 barrel a decent try. Will do that with .38 Specials then some .357s then switch to the .45 colt barrel and run my 180 grain cowboy loads followed by 250 grain. I hope I can remember the feel of those .357s so I can tell how they compare to the .45 Colts. There is where two separate guns would be a bonus. Well, I think I can get back to the range in a couple weeks. Will report back.

Disclaimer: If I buy another gun before I get to the range, then the new gun will take precedence at the range. :)
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Well, I really meant well and even after purchasing the S&W .41 Magnum revolver intended to shoot it and the bond on the same range trip, but then came the S&W Chief's Special .45 ACP DA semiauto and, well I could not so easily work with them all and so the bond waits, and the two new guns were run today. But my plan is to still go out in the next few weeks and shoot the bond. I'll say this much, the .41 Magnum really packs a punch and would be quite a lot to hold onto in a Bond Derringer if they even make that barrel.
 
21H40 said:


I like this one a little better. He cautions against using the Hornady and Buffalo Bore rounds because they're not fun.o_O
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My hand loads are Trapdoor level 400 grain cast bullets at just over 1300 FPS, they look like enough to be fun but not terribly abusive. 45-70 pushing 2000 FPS? That is not going to happen while I am pulling the trigger anyway….,OUCH!!
 
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