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Has the boycott of S&W and Ruger ended?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rajb123, May 25, 2012.

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  1. rajb123

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    I know these two gun manufacturors both supported and advocated passage of Bill Clinton's gun control laws and both companies were boycotted heavily by Americans who dissagreed with their support of more and more gun controls.

    Most of the worst Clinton laws sunset during the Bush#2 years and they were quietly allowed to expire without fanfare. I believe these included the ban on new manufacture and sale of ammo magazines over 10 rounds, and the ban against so-called assault weapons (black semi-automatic rifles with carry handles).

    I think a few other Clinton gun laws, like a ban on so-called cop killer bullets, are still in effect; right?

    Anyway, I have not purchased any Ruger or S&W guns since 1990 and I just wondered if the ban was still ocurring by the American public in practice. I think Bill Ruger died in 2005 but I assume the same old management is still in place. ...not sure about S&W, but I think they were bought by private equity several years ago.

    Thanks....

    Frankly, it is too bad there is not more competiion for S&W and Ruger from other American manufacturers.


    Thanks
     
  2. hso

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    Your information is a bit off.

    There never was an effective boycott on Ruger or S&W. Both companies lost little business.

    The AWB sunsetted with considerable fanfare and a great deal of noise about not continuing it over 7 years ago. States adopted their own and continue them to date.

    Ruger and S&W are stronger than ever.
     
  3. JoeMal

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    I love my MKIII

    That's all I'm gonna say about that :evil:
     
  4. Skribs

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    Ruger makes the only revolvers I'll buy. S&W makes the AR I'm going to get first.
     
  5. Ryanxia

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    Ruger got the hint that their company was viewed as anti-gun (ironic?) so they got the idea to donate X% to the NRA out of their sales until they reached 1 million dollars. I believe they've reached that goal but not sure.

    They're all owned by the same company now anyway aren't they? Freedom Group/Cerberus?

    My own preference is Taurus, Marlin & Stag :)
     
  6. rajb123

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    Apparently, before his death, Bill Ruger Sr, advocated trigger lock laws, magazine bans, waiting periods, and background checks.

    The Supremes overturned one trigger lock law passed in the Clinton era, I believe in DC, but the law in my state, unfortunately, is still in effect.

    While the Clinton administration was preparing this horrible set of new laws, I spent considerable time and effort writting members of Congress and making phone calls to try to stop it.

    After the political gun control positions of S&W and Ruger came out, I considered them a true betrayal of Americans and the 2nd Amendment and that is why I would NEVER buy their products.

    Yeh, some the the worst federal laws sunset but many states adopted them and are still on the books.....
     
  7. Weevil

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    Bill Ruger is dead and gone and his family sold off their interests in the company years ago. Lots of HiCap mags and small concealed carry weapons not the "sporting goods" company of Bill's era.

    The British company that owned S&W sold it off a long time ago and the new American owners who bought it have brought them back to being a major player.



    If you're still boycotting these companies and their new owners you're way behind the times and need get out of the dark ages.
     
  8. M2 Carbine

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    There's many people, including myself, that will not buy a new S&W that has the ugly lock hole in the gun. I own and still buy a LOT of pre lock Smiths but I just bypass the S&W table at the gun shows.

    After Bill Ruger died I came back to Ruger and buy a LOT of them.
     
  9. rajb123

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    I'm STILL fighting the bad gun laws that Bill Ruger advocated and helped pass 20 years ago and it is now seven years after his death. Ditto for S&W.

    ...my life time ban of S&W and Ruger products - new and used, continues....

    ...our freedoms are too precious to let people like this bargan them away in exchange for what they wanted at the time - money.... plain and simple
     
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    pretty sure Ruger is not owned by freedom group, but Marlin sure is.
     
  11. Sam1911

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    Both companies saw the last of the folks involved with those decisions years ago now. Both companies have made quite strong steps to bury those sad chapters of their short-sighted pasts.
    Both companies make products that fill the needs of a thriving armed citizenry and are more than happy to sell you guns which defy those erroneous policies.

    Sometimes the world gives folks a second chance. Sometimes a person -- or a corporation -- puts mistakes behind them and seeks to regain lost trust. We can hold them in disdain for the faults of people no longer involved, or we can judge them by their current actions, policies, and products.

    Really, though, if it makes you feel better and you want to uphold your oaths, continue to boycott. You can follow your conscience without any worry that your actions are harming either of these great American firms. The boycott will be just as alive tomorrow as it was years ago, because you are a boycott of one! :)
     
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    The King is dead. Long live the Queen.

    However gallant Knight of the long crusade do not put thy sword away yet.

    Yet another dragon has raised it's head for S&W has dared to put internal locks on it's handguns.

    Keep thy sword sharp and senses keen for you will face many foes in your journey.
     
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    Hard to say that there's any "boycott" when Ruger has to stop taking orders in order to give themselves time to make the ~1,000,000 backordered firearms... Given that fact, if there ever was a boycott, it apparently ended years ago.
     
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    As the only publicly traded gun manufacturers, S&W and Ruger are two of the few American gun manufacturers not owned by Freedom Group.
     
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    Your money, your choice - but don't get upset when you find out how many folks here buy Chinese and Russian and Turkish guns.........

    You're missing out on some nice guns
     
  16. SabbathWolf

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    After Bill died, Ruger has changed policies completely.
    They sell hi-cap mags now, "supposedly" improved the Mini-14, AND also entered the AR15 market with their piston-op Ruger SR556 carbine.
    In short, they did a complete 180* now that stick-up-his-rear-end Bill is gone.
    And all those changes reflect a "good" thing.

    I do, or have, owned a Ruger GP-100, a mini-14, a 10/22, and a 357 Blackhawk.
    Both handguns and the 10/22 are/were excellent.
    The mini-14...well...it frankly sucked, I hated it, and I sold it.

    But I will buy from them now to show my support for their new direction when it comes to the 2A and "trying" at least to give the public what they want now. I think boycotting them "now" would be a mistake while they are trying to do the "right" thing.

    S&W however...I'm not familiar enough with their political stances to have a comment either way. I'm just not up-to-date on them.
     
  17. Bubba613

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    You mean "Billy."
     
  18. SabbathWolf

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    lol....yeah...OK
    ha ha ha
     
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    I know of no such laws. Please explain.
     
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    I did not buy a new Ruger until last year. I would not buy one as long as Turncoat Bill lived.

    The S&W fiasco was wrought by the British owners. Once they sold out I held no further grudge against S&W.

    I would disagree with those claiming the backlash had no effect. Both companies saw sales drop due to their actions. No, it didn't last long, but it happened long enough for other gun companies to notice. Hopefully they have learned their lesson about getting in bed with Satan.
     
  21. ApacheCoTodd

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    Now that "The Bill" is gone, I support Ruger 100%.

    As for S&W, I still think they'd blow with the wind if the heat ever got high enough again and their martial firearms were in contention for Federal contracts.
     
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    I loved that "Hillary Hole" wisecrack, too. I'm going to unabashedly steal it shamelessly and not even give you credit for it. Nyah-nyah!

    I had to use two paper towels to wipe off my monitor after that one!

    ApacheCoTodd has a good point about the military contracts. I wonder how generally applicable that is, and how many other manufacturers of guns and ammo and optics would cave in. (I note that there was recently a very large government order of ammo. Hm.)
     
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    First that I've heard of a boycott. I can't tell you how many S&W's and Rugers that I've bought over the last 5 years. (Probably could if I chose to sit down with a pencil & paper but why bother?)
     
  24. skt239

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    Ruger can't fill orders, S&W's are selling like crazy and your asking if there is a boycott? There never was a boycott to begin with.
     
  25. TennJed

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    You seem well educated about Ruger's political history. Makes me wonder why you needed to ask if a boycott was still in effect. Seems a person with you knowledge would know that there never was an official boycott and the company is stronger than ever.

    One could argue that few other company has done more to help gun owner's rights than Ruger. The most important thing we can do to help our cause is to increase our numbers. How many people were introduced to guns with a 10/22, a single six, or a MK? How many people bought Rugers for their first centerfire?

    Ruger makes a quality product at a price that a working man can afford. Add to the fact that they are American made. I believe Ruger has played a very positive role in American gun rights
     
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