Brady bunch say you probably smoke crack

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The Brady bunch are sort of like the village idiot. Always coming out with something that is nothing short of stupid. Problem is,not everyone knows he is the village idiot.
 
As I tell my students, whenever someone says something rude/negative about you, you need to look at that person and decide what type of credibility that they have, and then decide if it is even worth responding to.

The Brady bunch says we probably smoke crack, well lets put it this way, I would be more concerned if the Enquirer ran a feature about my "Alien love child!"
 
Hmmm... maybe it's time to take down that poll in General Gun Discussions that has over 25% of respondents acknowledging that they've mixed guns with alcohol or drugs.


Uhm... I think people are having a tad of fun on this thread. I hope you didn't take my "I prefer Meth" comment as factual. I will barely take a tylenol-- and one beer will make me crawl in a little ball and go to sleep.

I am a firm believer in the belief that God gives everyone a lifetime allotment of alcohol abuse and fast food. I used up both in my fraternity days. :)



-- John
 
Mr White posted:
Taken directly form the Brady Campaign Public Information Policy Manual:
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When citing studies and facts in reports and press releases, do not bother actually finding facts, conducting surveys or commissioning studies to support your point. These things cost money, money that can be better spent flying Jim and Sarah around the country in private jets and putting them up in posh hotels. It is much cheaper and easier to just make up the facts you are looking for. Nobody will actually check to see if these statements are accurate. The general public is not very intelligent and will believe anything we say as long as its prefaced with something like "According to a Brady Campaign Study".

I thought this was interesting, then I opened some of their docs they have posted. In "Force Entry: The NRA's Campaign To Force Businesses to Accept Guns At Work" I found a HICAP mag full of examples.

Moreover, the level of gun violence at work remains high. Almost 500 firearm homicides were committed in the workplace in 2003, with almost
90% of these occurring in the private sector.8 In addition, another three private sector employees are wounded each week by shootings at the
workplace.9
Footnote 8 and 9 should be interesting...
8 Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2003 Census of FatalOccupational Injuries: Industry by Transportation Incidents and Homicides, U.S. Department of Labor (2003) available at http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0188.pdf .
I d/l'ed this pdf and was curious, here's some of the numbers I found. There were 5,575 fatalities only 487 were from shooting, not even 10%.
There were 487 homocides by shooting, 433 of them were in Private industry. 89% were Private Industry. Hum, this number still seems high to me...90% of those 433 were in the "Service Providing" (391) section. What the heck is that..."Trade, Transportation, and Utilities" had 198, ...I give up, the report is impossible to gather useful data, unless you want to spend a bunch of time running numbers. The Main categories are bold, the main/sub categories is bold...I went through the list twice and decided I'm not getting paid enough to do this. :) The remaining 11% of the total homicides at work-Government-54 total, 41 of those fall under "Police Protection". Enough of this, I'm getting sick looking at these numbers (they really need a different format).
Footnote 9:
Bureau of Labor Statistics, Number of Nonfatal Occupational Injuries and Illnesses Involving Days Away From Work By Event or Exposure Leading to
Injury or Illness and Selected Natures of Injury or Illness, U.S. Department of Labor (2002) available at http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/ostb1298.pdf.
3 per week sounded high, but there were 154 reported "shootings" that resulted in injury. What concerns my "bleeding heart" is that there were 4,005/wk injuries related to overexertion in lifting. BTW, there were a total of 1,436,194 injuries reported.

After about an hour of looking at the crap they wrote I've concluded that they are wasting a bunch of money because they don't like guns, they'll make stuff up, skew statistics and continue to try our 2nd Amendment. Bastarts!
 
Probable logic:

Guns are functionally illegal on most if not all college campuses. Therefore, the only people with guns on campus are going to be the criminal types (that is, gun owners - it's an one-to-many exclusive relationship), not your average student. So, we need to find all the criminals who've had guns, and compare their numbers to the overall student population, and compare the crack use of those with guns with that of the normal student body.

Also, the fact that college students typically fall within a category of person who can't easily own guns on their own (legal reasons, housing reasons), you're all the less likely to find a legal college student, I imagine.

OT: I still can't believe that "crack" is a real drug. I know it does, intellectually, but the word "crack" is just too damn funny. "Hey man, want some crack?" Probably came out during the 1970s, they were all screwed up then...
 
xpun8:

"service providing": gas station clerks, pizza delivery, and similar.

So basically, the "work related violence" more often than not happens to the people in question (and likely by someone wanting their money), not by them, providing further support for allowing people to carry at work.
 
The Brady bunch are sort of like the village idiot. Always coming out with something that is nothing short of stupid. Problem is,not everyone knows he is the village idiot.

Kind of one of those situations where Lead Idiot is running a herd, though...
 
Caimlas said:
Probable logic:

Guns are functionally illegal on most if not all college campuses. Therefore, the only people with guns on campus are going to be the criminal types (that is, gun owners - it's an one-to-many exclusive relationship), not your average student.

That, or, they constructed some fantastic imaginary correlation from the Kellerman study or some such. As in, they claim they "proved" most gun owners are killed by their own gun (which may or may not have been somebody else's, but who needs facts..), and most people with guns and killed with guns are drug dealers/users. Ergo, all gun owners smoke crack?

Bleh. I suppose they really are getting desperate now though. The more they talk, the more they sound like the parody Dihydrogen Monoxide alarmist site. :p
 
The Brady bunch really makes my blood boil, grrrrr... I only have this to say to them,
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending to too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1791
 
So, do I smoke crack, binge drink before driving, vandalize, and get in trouble with the police because I have guns, or do I have guns because I smoke crack, binge drink and drive, vandalize and get into it with police?

I am not sure.

Maybe that is why I can't tell the difference between magazines and clips!
 
Can't afford crack anymore - ammo and guns have gotten too expensive!

No kidding on the ammo, thats the new anti freedom tactic, drive the cost up so much that I cant afford 2 full 15 round mags of 9mm for less than 25 dollars.
 
My question is this: are they really after me, or is it just the crack-induced paranoia I'm suffering from?

Maybe both?

Awww heck... I guess I'd just stick to my morning Jack and Cokes. On the other hand, at least when I take speedballs, my boss can't smell the alcohol on my breath...

decisions, decisions.
 
gun owners are more likely than other students to binge drink, need a drink first thing in the morning, use cocaine or crack, be arrested for a DUI, vandalize property, and get in trouble with the police.
Or maybe, people who use crack, need a drink first thing in the morning, etc etc, buy guns, rather than guns causing it? Once again, correlation doesn't equal causation.

And, I think everyone needs a drink in the morning--what's wrong with sipping a glass of water right after I wake up? :scrutiny:
 
gun owners are more likely than other students to binge drink, need a drink first thing in the morning, use cocaine or crack, be arrested for a DUI, vandalize property, and get in trouble with the police.

As the gun-owning child of an alcoholic who has some college under his belt, I'm insulted enough by the claims that I binge drink, or DUI...!

I like that it reeks of desperation on their part, but you KNOW that there are people out there that are gonna take it as the Gospel truth, either out of ignorance or because they "want" it to be true...:mad:

Wonder if there's a plausible way to "Zumbo" Brady through donors...???
 
Just an FYI, I did find the study that the Brady Campaign cites for the correlation. It is a 2002 journal article in the Journal of American College Health. As an academic I have some problems with how they collected their data, despite that the Brady Campaign has only selectively reported the data. I'll post the link below to the article and the abstract, but I think the only way I can access it is through my school.

ETA: It looks like the link is available to everyone.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cas/Documents/Gunthreats2/gunspdf.pdf
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/heldref...tpage=57&desc=Guns+and+gun+threats+at+college
 
Just an FYI, I did find the study that the Brady Campaign cites for the correlation. It is a 2002 journal article in the Journal of American College Health. As an academic I have some problems with how they collected their data, despite that the Brady Campaign has only selectively reported the data. I'll post the link below to the article and the abstract, but I think the only way I can access it is through my school.

Big surprise. The authoritarian Nixon republican Bradys and their allies on the left misrepresent facts? Shocking.
 
I hope you didn't take my "I prefer Meth" comment as factual

woohoooo. cooking up meth in the garage is kind of like handloading. its always better to make your own.:D i do not support crack use as most of the production has been outsourced out of the country. i didnt read all the posts, is this thread still serious?:)
 
So basically, the abstract of the study says that students who tend to break the rules...tend to break the rules. That is a calamitous surprise.

I might have a heart attack from that surprise.


Edit: later, they point out that more than half of the students who have a gun on campus don't have it on campus. And that college students are binge drinkers.
 
Silliness

Eric...The thread is about to become as silly as the Brady Bunch themselves.

I still tend to believe that this newest revelation from them comes from the fact that they've closely monitored the polls addressing the question on more control, regulation...or outright banning if you read between the lines...didn't go quite the way they expected. The public gave them a resounding: "Hell no!"...and they're grasping at straws as they drown.
 
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