Buddys Russian girlfriend shoots her first gun.

[PILMAN]

In a country where obtaining firearms are difficult, my best friends girlfriend from Russia shot a gun for the first time, needless to say, he has successfully converted her to a gun lover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6rEAimk1c

 

[mfldmike]

It's really cool that other people can enjoy firearms, but after that video I would suggest some trigger control.

Kudos to her though!

 

[NavyLCDR]

Too cheap for eye protection...

 

[yeti]

Too cheap for eye protection...

Come on, the eye pro is in the ear muffs... which do tend to offer more protection if they are worn over the ears rather than around the neck.

It was still a good video.

 

[Vyacheslav]

in russia today, you are allowed to own firearms. in the soviet union it was illegal, but i still knew some people who had guns, including my parents, lol

 

[tyeo098]

She jerks the trigger...

 

[kingpin008]

Very cool, but I second the mention of better trigger discipline - the last thing we need is new shooter injured or killed because their teacher neglected to instill in them basic gun handling skills.

 

[W.E.G.]

You know she's really Russian when she SMILES after shooting the Nagant.

 

[towboat_er]

Bet she had a sore shoulder the next day.

 

[surjimmy]

PILMAN, tell your friend Outstanding for introducing her to the world of guns. One mistake and yous guys are on them like a Dog On A Biscuit.

 

[Tommygunn]

Bolzhei Moi!
That was fun to watch. Nice she was so open to learning how to shoot firearms.

Don't be so critical of trigger control -- she'll learn!

 

[kingpin008]

One mistake and yous guys are on them like a Dog On A Biscuit.

That's because it's a potentially lethal mistake.

Don't be so critical of trigger control -- she'll learn!

How is she going to learn, if the person introducing her to the sport doesn't teach her? It only takes a moment of inattention to squeeze a trigger accidentally - are you willing to "wait for her to learn" not to give that accident a way to happen? Why not stress it now, before bad habits take root?

 

[Zundfolge]

This thread illustrates why I'm beginning to hate this community.

Instead of being happy to see a new shooter, y'all nitpick and complain that she's not being trained to be an expert shooter from day one.

Honestly the more I see here on THR the more I'm convinced that this community is NOT advancing the shooting sports nor RKBA ... were it up to too many here there would be no new shooters and shooting would certainly not be allowed to be fun or informal.

 

[MCMXI]

Instead of being happy to see a new shooter, y'all nitpick and complain that she's not being trained to be an expert shooter from day one.

Introducing new shooters to firearms is fun, but not teaching them fundamental safety rules such as muzzle downrange at all times, finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, and wearing eye protection is nothing short of irresponsible. What happens when this young woman shoots her toes off?!! I gave up counting the number of times she has her finger on the trigger with a loaded handgun or rifle and the muzzle pointing at her toes!! Ridiculous!!

For example ... 5:50 and 7:23 in the video.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Basic safety does not make an expert shooter. Basic safety increases the chances that a novice shooter will live long enough to become an expert shooter, at least with her eyesight, hearing and toes intact.

 

[MarkDido]

I watched the video twice.

The second time was for the boots.....

 

[texas bulldog]

This thread illustrates why I'm beginning to hate this community.

Instead of being happy to see a new shooter, y'all nitpick and complain that she's not being trained to be an expert shooter from day one.

Honestly the more I see here on THR the more I'm convinced that this community is NOT advancing the shooting sports nor RKBA ... were it up to too many here there would be no new shooters and shooting would certainly not be allowed to be fun or informal.

I don't think that expecting our fellow shooters to teach the four basic safety rules when introducing a new person to firearms is unreasonable or overly negative. It's great that a person who had never shot before is now enthusiastic about guns. But any introduction of a new shooter needs to begin with a safety discussion and include corrections when violations occur. It's entirely possible to do this without being a jerk or sucking the fun out of it. If she were being introduced to welding or piloting a plane, would it still be unreasonable to point out when she does something unsafe? I mean, if no one tells her, how will she ever know? It's the job of the person doing the teaching to make sure the person doing the learning doesn't do things that put themselves and others at risk. Frankly, I don't blame her one iota; I blame the person who video taped the many safety violations without ever offering guidance.

 

[danez71]

The lack of safety glasses clearly demonstrates that her, and everyone around her are irresponsible and should never be allowed to own or shoot a gun.


There obviously needs to be a law that takes away her/their choice.


C'mon guys and gals, its one thing to remind people of the four rules but some of these comments are a bit 'High and Mighty' rather than 'High Road'.

Safey glasses help protect. The lack of them does not introduce danger.


Having said that.... next time, she should be told the benefits and wear safety glasses.

 

[FROGO207]

It is good to be safe and yes, we want to be so. I NEVER NEVER used any protection for eyes/ears for many many years and the others I shot with/learned from never did either. I now know better so do not repeat my mistakes. A gentle reminder about this by someone is High Road but to beat it to death defeats the joy of getting a new shooter to attempt the sport IMHO.

 

[kingpin008]

Instead of being happy to see a new shooter, y'all nitpick and complain that she's not being trained to be an expert shooter from day one.

The fact that we've voiced our concerns about a very real problem doesn't negate the positive feelings we have about it. Also, how do you expect her to work up to being an "expert" shooter one day when she isn't taught basic safety rules from day one? How many expert shooters do you know who keep their finger on the trigger when they're not on target, and who sweept themselves with the business end of their guns? Oh right, none. Basics are the basics for a reason.

Honestly the more I see here on THR the more I'm convinced that this community is NOT advancing the shooting sports nor RKBA ... were it up to too many here there would be no new shooters and shooting would certainly not be allowed to be fun or informal.

Please explain to me how teaching new shooters how to safely and responsibly handle a firearm isn't advancing the shooting sports and RKBA. It only takes one negligent discharge by a noob who wasn't properly trained how to handle a gun to scare the hell out of them and convince them that guns are evil, dangerous things that should be avoided.

And as for not being allowed to be fun and informal, don't make me laugh. Show me one person who has a problem with the setting or type of shooting they were doing. You can't, because nobody has a problem with the informal nature of it. We have a problem with the dangerous lack of basic safety procedures. Simple as that.

 

[Justin]

I didn't watch the entire video as I don't have time to sit through a 20 minute video*, however, what I did see of it didn't raise any tremendous red flags. Yeah, the lack of eye protection is of concern, but I didn't see muzzle discipline any worse than just about any time I've taken a first timer out (this even after instructing them about safe gun handling).

At the times when I saw her pointing hand guns downwards, I doubt she was covering her own toes, though video can often times make it appear that someone is doing something that they aren't due to the angle of the camera.

Her stance and grip when shooting the pistols is actually quite acceptably good, which leads me to believe that she took instruction well, and that her boyfriend, or whoever, did a reasonable job of explaining proper technique.


*I'm a big believer that YouTube videos shouldn't generally be any longer than about two minutes, tops.

 

[Tommygunn]

Don't be so critical of trigger control -- she'll learn!

How is she going to learn, if the person introducing her to the sport doesn't teach her? It only takes a moment of inattention to squeeze a trigger accidentally - are you willing to "wait for her to learn" not to give that accident a way to happen? Why not stress it now, before bad habits take root.

I was trying to complement her; to suggest she seems smart enough to be able to learn these things, not critique her boyfriend's training techniques, which are hard to assess fully in a 20 minute video.
I've seen worse on youtube .....

 

[DammitBoy]

In soviet russia firearms own you!

 

[speaksoftly]

There were guns in that video?

And I see where Zundfolge is coming from.

 

[9mm+]

I happen to agree with Justin. I have seen far worse in terms of safety in videos by 'veteran' gun shooters. I'm very glad to see that we have a new gun convert from Russia! Outstanding!

Glasses, hearing protection, and trigger discipline should be reinforced wherever possible, but it can be done in a constructive way. My new-shooter students are often very bad at first with trigger discipline, but I calmly reinforce it until it has sunken in.