Bye-bye Hi-Power, says Browning...

[Ironicaintit]

Glock markets to LE with the pitch that LE officers are too non-gun-familiar to work anything with a manual of arms harder than a revolver. Seriously, that's a big part of their pitch.

Arguing that LE's wide adoption of plastic striker-fired guns means metal-framed, hammered guns are obsolete is like arguing that cops' widespread use of Chevy Caprices as cruisers means that Mercedes and BMW's and Porsches are "obsolete." It's a preposterous argument.

I am friends with a few cops. One of them saw action in Iraq in '91, shoots quite a bit just as a fun hobby, can strip an AR down to pieces in the blink of an eye, and generally really knows his stuff. He carries a 1911 on duty that is so pretty it nearly qualifies as a BBQ gun.

Another one I know... Good guy, but is not mechanically inclined. He does shoot enough to be proficient, but he really doesn't shoot for the thrill of it. It is just a tool he uses. He carries a Glock.

 

[WVsig]

My thoughts exactly. I really enjoy shooting a BHP without the mag safety. 9mm with a SA trigger. Slim slide. I am not interested in a show piece for collecting, just a nice solid range shooter. I have shot early models with the skimpy fixed front sight, but would like to own a new model with the replaceable sights.

I have several Glocks for self defense but the BHP and a tuned 1911 are a joy to shoot.

I wonder if FN will sell the license and equipment so that perhaps another company could make Official Hi-Powers? It would be nice that since FN is stepping out of that market, that the design could be open source and lots of smaller companies make copies at competitive prices.

The word on the street is that the tooling is end of life so they will not be selling any equipment. The patents for the BHP has expired long ago so no lic is necessary to produce a clone. Tisas in Turkey is making them as I type. They are currently being imported and sold by a single shop in the US. There is a thread on the 1911 forum that details what is known about the guns. One of the members has taken delivery of their Cerakote model and so far the review has been positive but they are not 100% compatible. Barrel lugs IIRC are different so slides and barrels might not be compatible. The barrels are 1 piece not the 2 piece FN design. No word on the smaller parts.

I posted pics of the Tisas earlier in the this tread.

 

[Bigmike79]

I am friends with a few cops. One of them saw action in Iraq in '91, shoots quite a bit just as a fun hobby, can strip an AR down to pieces in the blink of an eye, and generally really knows his stuff. He carries a 1911 on duty that is so pretty it nearly qualifies as a BBQ gun.

Another one I know... Good guy, but is not mechanically inclined. He does shoot enough to be proficient, but he really doesn't shoot for the thrill of it. It is just a tool he uses. He carries a Glock.

But Glocks come with a guarantee

A guarantee that you're getting made fun of by anyone that owns a real gun..........i kid i kid (sorta)

 

[Ironicaintit]

But Glocks come with a guarantee

A guarantee that you're getting made fun of by anyone that owns a real gun..........i kid i kid (sorta)

It's fun to poke at Glocks. I do not own one. I had a hi-point, and that's as close as I wanna get!

I'm just funnin.

But there's something to be said for rugged and effective too. I have another friend (a vet, but not LEO) that used to be a diehard 1911 man, but now carries a glock, and no other. And he's damn good with it, too!
He shoots circles around me (isn't saying much maybe). He chose his platform, and became very proficient with it.

I give him a hard time that his glock is like a Honda Civic.... You don't need to know much to get it to go, and they run on neglect, so it's perfect for him

 

[DPris]

At the risk of offending WV by repeating what I said months ago- the FN tooling IS worn out & the company doesn't feel sales would justify replacing it.
That's why FN ended production, and that came direct from Browning last year.

As far as licensing goes, anybody can produce the pistol without permission, but there would most likely be trademark and/or trade dress issues if anybody else labeled it "Hi-Power".
Denis

 

[WVsig]

At the risk of offending WV by repeating what I said months ago- the FN tooling IS worn out & the company doesn't feel sales would justify replacing it.
That's why FN ended production, and that came direct from Browning last year.

As far as licensing goes, anybody can produce the pistol without permission, but there would most likely be trademark and/or trade dress issues if anybody else labeled it "Hi-Power".
Denis

It is not your info that rubs people the wrong way its your childish "I told you so and no one believed me... you called me a liar" crap you routinely pull. If you look above I basically already stated the exact same thing.

 

[DPris]

"Word on the street..."
No- word from me.
And I expanded with commentary further re the licensing to clarify that anybody can BUILD the Hi-Power, they just can't CALL it the Hi-Power.

I "routinely" pull nothing.
Denis

 

[Tirod]

When you read thru all the purse swinging, one fact remains clear - the HiPower was announced to be closing down, and then it did.

It happens to all guns.

More purse swinging won't make it any different.

 

[JR24]

Because a CZ P01 seems obsolete after handling a Glock 17 (rolls eyes)

Ill take a 17 over a P01 myself. CZs beavertail is too low for my high grip, I dislike DA/SA and the CZ safety is in an awkward position for me to go cocked and locked.

If I want a target 9mm, Ill go 1911.

 

[Bigmike79]

Ill take a 17 over a P01 myself. CZs beavertail is too low for my high grip, I dislike DA/SA and the CZ safety is in an awkward position for me to go cocked and locked.

If I want a target 9mm, Ill go 1911.

The P01 isn't a target gun. It was designed for LE. It has a decocker with no manual safety. It also only has a 3.75" barrel and an aluminum frame. You can't really compare it to a full size 1911 as a target gun. If you wanted to compare a CZ to a 1911 in regards to range shooting, an Sp01 would a more fair comparison. For me, I like the look of the 1911 better and the feel of the SP01 better, but I shoot both platforms about the same on paper.

As for the Glock comparison, I've noticed that a lot of beginners or people with awkward grips actually like the feel of a Glock. I don't think the P01 is better or worse than a Glock. You can't really compare them as apples to apples. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of claiming that Glock has made the CZ-75 platform obsolete. I suppose if I were to make a comparison between the two platforms, it would be between the 19 and the P01. For me, the 19 is slightly easier to carry, but the P01 shoots circles around it. I can actually out-shoot my Glock with my P01 even when decocking after every shot and shooting DA only.

 

[JR24]

The P01 isn't a target gun. It was designed for LE. It has a decocker with no manual safety. It also only has a 3.75" barrel and an aluminum frame. You can't really compare it to a full size 1911 as a target gun. If you wanted to compare a CZ to a 1911 in regards to range shooting, an Sp01 would a more fair comparison.

Yes I am aware what a P01 is, I have owned one on the past, as well as a 75B, a 75 compact with safety and a P07.

What I meant by that is the Glock works better for me as a duty/carry gun and that would only leave range/target for CZs and I prefer another platform. Your post I reponded to implied that anyone preferring a Glock to a CZ is laughable, I find that stance laughable.

Heck, Ill take my BHP MK III over a CZ for any of the above as well, heavy trigger and all.

Though I do agree all are good guns and none are "obsolete", just different.

 

[Bigmike79]

Yes I am aware what a P01 is, I have owned one on the past, as well as a 75B, a 75 compact with safety and a P07.

What I meant by that is the Glock works better for me as a duty/carry gun and that would only leave range/target for CZs and I prefer another platform. Your post I reponded to implied that anyone preferring a Glock to a CZ is laughable, I find that stance laughable.

Heck, Ill take my BHP MK III over a CZ for any of the above as well, heavy trigger and all.

Though I do agree all are good guns and none are "obsolete", just different.

You just misinterpreted it. The person I was responding to was claiming Glocks have made the CZs obsolete.

I found that statement to be laughable. Anyways, regardless of what anyone prefers of those two platforms, they're apples and oranges because......yada yada yada

 

[JR24]

You just misinterpreted it. The person I was responding to was claiming Glocks have made the CZs obsolete.

I found that statement to be laughable. Anyways, regardless of what anyone prefers of those two platforms, they're apples and oranges because......yada yada yada

It does appear I did. We are in agreement then.

 

[bassjam]

As luck would have it I was at a pawn shop yesterday and saw a shooter grade Hi Power listed at a decent price. I had envisioned owning a beautiful blued gun, but I figured I might as well pick up that parkerized version while I could so we worked out a price and I bought it. I had been watching 2 other much nicer Hi Powers on Armslist for several weeks, and they both sold within a day of the news of production stopping so I figured I better act now while one was in front of me. While I don’t think Hi Powers will hit collector status like Pythons did, I’m sure they’ll see a surge in price, even if it’s just temporary.

 

[dogtown tom]

You just misinterpreted it. The person I was responding to was claiming Glocks have made the CZs obsolete....

You need better reading comprehension, I didn't write that.
I'll repeat....."The gun that made the Hi Power obsolete was the Glock 17......the same gun that made the CZ75 and clones obsolete".
The P-10 is certainly not obsolete and is not a 75.






"CZ......bringing excellence 35-40 years after everyone else".

 

[Bigmike79]

You need better reading comprehension, I didn't write that.
I'll repeat....."The gun that made the Hi Power obsolete was the Glock 17......the same gun that made the CZ75 and clones obsolete".
The P-10 is certainly not obsolete and is not a 75.






"CZ......bringing excellence 35-40 years after everyone else".

This is what you wrote
"The gun that made the Hi Power obsolete was the Glock 17......the same gun that made the CZ75 and clones obsolete".

According to you, the P01, Spo1, P07 or any other pistols based on the 75 platform are obsolete. I found that funny and responded appropriately. Nobody was talking about the p-10 (which is an abomination IMO) accept for YOU, who seems to think CZ produced it because "they also think the 75 platform is obsolete" as well. Time to be quiet......LOL

Are we done?

 

[dogtown tom]

This is what you wrote
"The gun that made the Hi Power obsolete was the Glock 17......the same gun that made the CZ75 and clones obsolete".

Yeah, I know what I wrote and its in the above post that you quoted. Why the need to quote me and then again try and tell me what I wrote? Odd.

According to you, the P01, Spo1, P07 or any other pistols based on the 75 platform are obsolete.

Good grief. See the part in bold? I DIDN'T WRITE THAT. That's your conclusion and its faulty.

I found that funny and responded appropriately. Nobody was talking about the p-10 (which is an abomination IMO) accept for YOU, who seems to think CZ produced it because "they also think the 75 platform is obsolete" as well. Time to be quiet......LOL

Are we done?

No ones talking about the P-10 because it doesn't sell.

 

[Bigmike79]

Yeah, I know what I wrote and its in the above post that you quoted. Why the need to quote me and then again try and tell me what I wrote? Odd.


Good grief. See the part in bold? I DIDN'T WRITE THAT. That's your conclusion and its faulty.

It doesn't seem that you understand what you said that's Why I quoted it again

Anyways, You said CZ-75

The P01, Sp01, P07, P09, etc............they're all CZ-75's

 

[czhen]

Over all, is a sad new/old news there will be always detractors and lovers for one of the best pistol design of the modern age firearm.
I am on of those who love it along with 1911's and CZ's and others weapons.
I will confess I don't like striker fire weapons (have some though), glock was another big innovator, nothing more. Glock pistols did not kill it, price, and company market decisions did.
The CZ75 the cz's was behind the iron wall, so the market did hit the high power share until very late the 80's early 90's only Tangfolios and some others (don't recalled now) When CZ touched USA the equation changed again, look at it now CZ orange and the like above the 1000 bucks.
Nevertheless, the High Power will be always around or copied somehow, since has everything a pistol might need, ergonomic are almost comfortable for anyone, accuracy is more than acceptable and lastly reliable enough under any condition.

 

[SSN Vet]

I'm glad I picked up a 75th anniversary model from CDN a couple years after they were released for $800.

It has the finest finish of any of my steal framed handguns. Pulled the mag. safety, installed a low power hammer spring and got to participate in Chuck Warner's Total Radius Sear Beta test, in which he installed a new tool steel sear with the TR grind. Then installed a set of Navidrex black Micarta slims and promptly dumped all of my other 9s

 

[JR24]

It has the finest finish of any of my steal framed handguns.

Not sure if it the same, but my MK III black epoxy is a really durable and smooth finish, wish more of my guns had it.

 

[Fishman919]

I have a early 80s BHP made in Belgium, nickel finish, adjustable sights, gold trigger, wood grips, with a Browning soft zipper case, but no box or papers. I’ve put about 150 rounds through it since I purchased it from my Dad, and I’m pretty sure he never fired it for the previous 20 years. I will probably quit firing to preserve it.

Any thoughts on the current value? I haven’t seen many comparable on Gunbroker.

 

[rugmar]

I kind of wanted one until I saw the Slovenian Stunner. It’s the Rex Zero from Arex. Took my mind right off that hi- power.

 

[johnmcl]

I'm thinking that collection of repair parts would be in order these days.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

I kind of wanted one until I saw the Slovenian Stunner. It’s the Rex Zero from Arex. Took my mind right off that hi- power.

Hadn't heard of that. But I looked at the website. I'd like to shoot one of those. Am wondering, though, about their stated expected service life. Hoping that's just an English translation issue...