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[Coldfinger]

Received my license today. 4 weeks to the day after I applied. May be a new record for BATFE. Let the frenzy begin

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[Red Wind]

Congratulations! Had mine for 10 years,have acquired 30 "relics"! Have lots of green handy. You'll need it. Still some decent firearms out there.

Prices are not what they were but with patience you can do well. Good hunting!

 

[evan price]

Some advice from a C&R guy to a new C&R guy:

1. Keep your credit cards separated from any internet connection device by at least two rooms.
2. Make friends with your local post office so they get to know you. (My mail carrier hands me over certain small but heavy boxes and says "Another gun?" pretty often)
3. When you get your C&R, don't sign it. Make a bunch of good photocopies. Keep them to send out, sign and date them at that time.
4. Keep copies of your C&R in your vehicle somewhere "just in case". I have a C&R 'bugout bag' which is a little plastic zipper pouch in which I keep copies of the C&R, envelopes, postage stamps, a blue ink pen, and a small notebook. Blue ink pen is because some dealers want it that way to prove it's not a photocopy of the signature.

I keep this because thanks to smartphones I have been hundreds of miles away from home on a jobsite, logged into Gunbroker at the hotel or on break and wound up buying something. A quick stop at a post office or quick-e-mart gets me a money order and often times I can have a gun waiting at the post office in my home town when I get back.

I'm personally an accumulator of old guns (Wait, now I am an official licensed "Collector" so it's a "Collection" not a "hoard", right?) and I like old American revolvers, small semi-automatics, shotguns, etc.
I'm not in love with military stuff, I prefer pre-ww2 regular guns (But anything over 50 years old is C&R so I like most anything that fits!) but not expensive new-in-box collectables, I like finish-worn but mechanically sound specimens that I can shoot and enjoy. Most of my stuff was under $250 when I bought it.

 

[GBExpat]

Received my license today. 4 weeks to the day after I applied. May be a new record for BATFE. Let the frenzy begin ...

You have opened the door and now you are cleared to step over the threshold into the Poor House.

My last one had the shortest turnaround that I have ever experienced, like 3 weeks. Perhaps it is because they are getting a LOT of practice.

 

[Coldfinger]

My wife is definitely aware and certainly keeping an eye on the checking account.

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[il.bill]

My wife is definitely aware and certainly keeping an eye on the checking account.

Oh man!

It is not the checkbook, but the Credit Card(s) that will quickly get a new 03FFL holder into trouble. C&R values are getting harder to find, but they are still out there - happy hunting!

 

[slumlord44]

I have had mine for a lot of years. Think I'm over 100 entries in my log book by now. Happy collecting.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

I've had mine about 11 years. I've only bought a handful of guns with it but it comes in handy. People talk about the 'golden days' of milsurp being over, and that may be true in many respects, but every title 1 firearm made before May7 1966 is now C & R eligible. Happy collecting!

 

[jstert]

I've had mine about 11 years. I've only bought a handful of guns with it but it comes in handy. People talk about the 'golden days' of milsurp being over, and that may be true in many respects, but every title 1 firearm made before May7 1966 is now C & R eligible. Happy collecting!

hi neo, can you explain your last sentence, about pre 7may66 title 1 firearms being c&r ok? i am renewing my c&r license but have yet to use it as im a revolver, not milsurp, guy. thanks!

 

[GBExpat]

When firearms are 50 years old or older, they are C&R.

 

[giggitygiggity]

Welcome to the club. In the 2.5 years that I've had mine, I've bought probably 20 C&R firearms. Deals aren't what they used to be, but even at that, you will still run across some good finds and it pays for itself in a purchase or two by avoiding FFL transfer fees and the inconvenience of going to the gun shop and filling out paperwork every time you get a new toy. If you're like me, you will find that there are a number of super cool C&R guns. Lots of Junkers too, but lots of the C&R guns were made in an era in which men were men and guns were steel and wood. Enjoy!

 

[evan price]

Jstert:

I'm a revolver guy myself, I've bought far more than I should have recently! I like Smith & Wessons, Colts, H&Rs, etc. especially pre-1957 S&Ws.

Here is the applicable information right from the ATF's web site-

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

Curios & Relics

A regulation implementing Federal firearms laws, 27 CFR §478.11, defines Curio or Relic (C&R) firearms as those which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

-Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;

-Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

-Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF's C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) for a formal classification.

Please note that firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) may be classified as C&R items, but still may be subject to the provisions of the NFA. If your C&R item is an NFA firearm (e.g., Winchester Trappers) and you desire removal from the NFA status, you must submit it to FATD for evaluation and a formal classification.

 

[jr45]

Congrats and enjoy. Having a C&R is great, but can be expensive at times.

 

[Ibmikey]

As indicated by others your new C&R will challenge your will power and pocketbook, but it can also give you untold hours of pleasure/disappointment with the auction sites. I have an extensive collection of firearms by one maker that was not very popular in days gone by so prices were very reasonable. Today that same maker is well known and many of it's firearms highly sought after, prices have risen accordingly.
If you use an auction pick your max payment and stick with it or you can become upside down in the price very quickly, if buying from a distributor such as Aim or SOG watch for C&R releases, check shipping charges and ask where import marks are located and photos of them as some firearms are ruined with the crap some importers scratch on to them.
Good luck acquiring those special items in the world of Curio and Relic's.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

JSTERT--I just saw your note but I think the question has been answered. Sometimes people get confused over what guns are eligible C&R's. As stated above they include any usual title 1 firearm over 50 years AND any on the BATF list. The list may include guns newer than 50 years the ATF has ruled having merit for early listing and sometimes de-NFAs certain guns and makes them C&R--such as original hi-powers with shoulder stocks and some other "odd duck" items like Liberator pistols and such. And of course, some NFA weapons remain so while being C&R listed--meaning (usually) the form 4 transfer weapon (like a 1928 Thompson) can go directly to the collector. They are still NFA. But here I'm getting off track....

The bottom line is that ordinary guns go C&R on their 50th birthday regardless of whether on not they have been listed. This simple fact has been the cause of MANY arguments and p***ing contests between potential buyers and potential sellers about whether they can purchase a particular firearm with a C&R license.

 

[evan price]

The bottom line is that ordinary guns go C&R on their 50th birthday regardless of whether on not they have been listed. This simple fact has been the cause of MANY arguments and p***ing contests between potential buyers and potential sellers about whether they can purchase a particular firearm with a C&R license.

Oh, Lord, don't get me started. I've had people outright refuse to even go to the ATF website (linked above in post #12) to see what the actual rules are regarding C&Rs. They "know" the laws and they are not interested in any other input.

I had a guy totally mangle the rules for pre-1899 antiques with C&Rs and somehow come up with their own interpretation that said "If the gun is listed specifically in the ATF C&R book it's a C&R, however, if it is fifty years old or older but fires ammunition that is still available it isn't a curio & relic and can't be sent to anyone but an 01 FFL"...? That fortunately was hashed out before I bid on their item.

I'm stuck in a transaction right now that was a very, very good deal on a relatively common 75-year-old revolver that I only bid on because the price started at $100, and didn't progress much beyond that. The seller is not any sort of FFL and hasn't sold a gun online before, and wants to ship from an 01 FFL and refuses to ship directly. And that's cool. However the closest gun store to the seller's house refuses to ship to C&Rs because they can't verify them on the ATF E-Z-Check online system and have to actually use the telephone to call in, which takes too long.

Took me 2 minutes with Google to find another local-to-the-seller 01 FFL, call them to explain the situation and confirm they understand and are OK with it to ship.

 

[joem1945]

Had mine I guess for over 20 years. Always something new coming out that I just have to have.