Calif. Suspect shoots himself while in police custody.

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My apologies if this has already been covered.

I was just browsing another forum. Apparantly they did not pat him down well enough. He was a suspect involved in the shooting of an officer. They lead him into a questioning room. He sat there for a moment, then pulled a 1911 out of his pants and shot himself in the head. :what: There is a video of this that I viewed on the other site. I figured I wouldn't post the video link as it is graphic. Not as graphic as a lot of things, but definately "rated R"

If a mod tells me I can post the video link, then I will.

For now, here is a news story on it.

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POLICEONE.COM

12/20/2003

Calif. Man Shoots Cop Then Kills Self While in Custody

SAN BERNARDINO: The sheriff says he wasn't searched properly. The suicide was videotaped.

By TIM GRENDA AND IMRAN GHORI / The San Bernardino Press-Enterprise

MUSCOY, Calif. -- A man who shot and wounded a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy during a traffic stop in Muscoy on Friday morning killed himself an hour later while alone inside a sheriff's interview room with a pistol he apparently sneaked into the building, officials said.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said officers failed to adequately search the man, identified by the San Bernardino County Coroner's office as Ricardo Alfonso Cerna, 47, of San Bernardino.

The deputy shot during the traffic stop, Mike Parham, 31, is in critical but stable condition and is expected to recover, officials said.

In an extraordinary move, a 13-minute surveillance-camera video that included footage of the man's suicide was shown by the Sheriff's Department to reporters, the leaders of local Latino groups and officials from the Mexican consulate to quash any questions regarding the department's treatment of Hispanic subjects.
 
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Yikes :what: :what: Good thing that the deputy is going to be ok. During training one year the lead instructer was a female and hid a snub nose .38 in her cleavage and was missed by the female patting her down, so it happens when doing a pat down some people do not feel comfortable getting personel with a suspect. I bet tho the deputys will probably be more thorough from now on.
 
That right there is freaking scary. There were several times where that detective had his back turned to that guy, and most likely he had his gun locked up out of the room. There is absolutely NO excuse to be lax on the 3 golden rules.....control....cuff.....SEARCH.
 
mein gott :uhoh:

Where did the bullet go? I see an exit wound (I think) but didn't notie anything hit the wall or table. Hope it didn't get anyone else, police stations have a habit of being inhabitted.
 
I'd think they'd be exceedingly careful with a search considering that he shot & wounded a fellow officer. The indepartmental memos are going to fly on this one. I also wonder if he considered shooting his way out of there and if the kindness of the officer that brought him the water made him change his mind.
 
Dbl0Kev,

I'm not gonna watch it again but I think the officer's gun (the butt anyway) is visible on his hip. Might just be holster but I thought it was odd he was armed and the suspect uncuffed.

Wow. It's when viewing stuff like this I wonder if I'm getting too casual about death. I mean, I read the thread, I knew what he was going to do, but I was still looking to spot the gun and then noticed how easily he took off the safety left-handed.

There's academic distancing but..... :uhoh:
 
One place that most police do not search well is the crotch, for obvious reasons. In training, I got several weapons through a pat-down search. Real eye opener. When doing a custody search incident to arrest, modesty and morals go out the window, if you want to live. That's why God invented gloves. ;)
 
One place that most police do not search well is the crotch, for obvious reasons.
I saw an explanation of that in a movie ("The Long Kiss Goodnight"), but didn't believe it simply because it was in a movie. Thanks for pointing it out as truth.
 
From the article:[The video] "was shown to reporters, the leaders of local Latino groups and officials from the Mexican consulate to quash any questions regarding the department's treatment of Hispanic subjects."
I am surprised that after they proved there was no police butality involved in his death, that they weren't then blamed for "allowing" him to kill himself. It was California after all.:scrutiny:
 
Good riddance. Another bum we don't have to support. Whoever the arresting officer was, he/she should be seriously reprimanded. Allowing him to make it into the station with that tucked down him pants is inexcusable!

The 1911....reliable and one shot stopper.

Please, a .22LR could have produced the same results in that situation. Matter of fact, .22LR was the mob's favorite hit weapon for close in work like that.

Overall, a very happy ending ;)
 
It looks like the guy had the gun in "Mexican Carry", and maybe its just an artifact of the video, but it looks like the handgrip is printing on his shirt as he sits down.

Sloppy mistake on the LEOs part. Good thing the only one shot after the bad guy was in custody was the bad guy.
 
It is really amazing how calm he is about it. He drinks his water, goes for another sip, nah he doesn't need it, and then blam. I wonder if I would be so calm in determining my own demise in his shoes. I guess he just got the mandatory appeals process out of the way early.
 
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Extremely sloppy! I couldn't believe that the cop left his keys unattended like that....and then to see that the suspect who just shot a cop wasn't searched...wow....

he/she should be seriously reprimanded.
How about fired? That could have cost several officers thier lives...
 
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