Can you find .22lr?

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Which tells me that you understand exactly what I was talking about when I discussed placing weekly orders in spite of the long lecture on why it's completely wrong for me to try to imply that supply and ordering is based on time intervals.

In the POS systems, every time a cash register rings up something, the POS system is increasing their request for product from the mfg to replenish. The frequency of shipments has zero to do with how or when the mfg get their requests for product. There really isn't "orders" being placed by the bigger retailers. Describing it as periodic orders, or a set ordering pattern is inaccurate and changes the supply chain significantly from a POS inventory management system. That's why they use it. But that's besides the point.


I don't understand what you mean. What would be the point of discussing "potential reasons" when the actual reasons are patently obvious?

But they aren't 'patently obvious'. And to say it that way is condescending. The threads right here at THR are evidence of that its not obvious. The fact that gun rags, blogs, insiders etc have been writing about it for a couple yrs should be evidence of that as well.


And don't think for a second that didn't notice that you didn't address anything about me being able to recite what was told to me and my experience and you trying to change my conversation that didn't include you to something you want it to be.


I'm going to waaay over simplify to make it easier for me to write.

Lets pretend.....

The ammo guys were making 22ls at a rate of 1000 per X (combined) and keeping up with sell rates. But their max capacity was/is 2000 per X.

There were only 10 POS total. We'll call them store #1, #2, # 3 etc. And everyone was getting 100 per X (equaling the 1000 the ammo mfg made per X)

Suddenly everyone wants 22lrs and ammo is selling like hot cakes.

The ammo mfgs crank up the factory to their max capacity of 2000 per X.

All 10 POS's could double their requests to 200 per X and still get it.

But those darned Marketing guys at store #5 - #10 increases his on hand qty to 1000 because he thinks he can sell it. He's got customers lined up at the door at 5AM.

So now we have requests from store 1-5 of 100 (500 total) and 1k ea from store # 5-10 (5k total)

Total requests are now 5500 but the ammo guys can only make 2k per X.


Explain why store #1 cant keep getting their 100 per X as they had been.

There is really only a few simple explanations (and even more complex ones).
1) The ammo mfgs are giving stores #1-5 the shaft by sending them little to none in order to try to make stores #5-10 as happy as possible. (AKA: 'better keep Wally happy')

Or

2) There are 40 POS's total now (instead of 10) and the ammo mfg are trying to keep all of the stores somewhat happy by sending them only 50 per X. (AKA: Hey... this new guy Bud on the internet can sell a bunch.. now!)

Or

3) They really aren't making what they claim (least likely IMO)



Now.. back to:

Instead of getting X+y%..... The POS are getting less than X.

I don't believe this is true <snip>.


Do you think we are liars? Or just not smart enough to follow your 'patently obvious' explanation?
 
You sound jealous that others have beaten you to the delivery time. Those folks aren't scalpers - they are pricing the product at the current market value -

No jealousy here. i have well over 100,000 rounds of of .22 Winchester target ammo that i acquired decades ago. Just like to fire something different from time to time.

Go ahead and support your local scam artists and scalpers.
 
We've all seen the reaction people give when a retailer increases prices during a shortage. All of the sudden they become evil price gouging devils that aren't to be trusted and put out of business. So damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Personally I'd like to retain the ability to buy the ammo at lower prices and take the chance at not getting it. Let alone let Walmart get away with the fleeting thought that maybe they could just keep charging that much.

Lastly, I really don't think there's scalpers out there waiting in line to buy their maximum 2 or 3 bricks of .22 just to make 20 bucks a brick. Some of the sellers here in central Texas are selling them for 40 now anyways. More likely its people who want the ammo. Or hoarders. I know I'm contributing to the hoarding. At least I shoot some of mine though :) My LGS recently had a large shipment of bulk boxes come in. They let you buy one box a day. I bought one everyday for as long as they had it. They were between 25 and 35 $ a brick depending on brand. As long as they have it. Ill be buying it now. Whenever I see the stuff at normal retail, I buy it, and in whatever quantity they'll allow. Without exception. This is why we can't get .22 at the drop of a hat. It is because we all want it. And we all buy it. Im kind of sick of hearing the conspiracies.
 
Can you find .22lr?

I quit looking for it a year ago. When I could find it then, the price was enough to keep me from buying it. I can't realistically afford to plink at $0.10/round and up, and that for the cheapest ammo available. I fire off a magazine (seven rounds) from my Bobcat once every three to six months and that's it. I don't see the price ever dropping back to an affordable level. Whenever I'm out of what I have now (the equivalent of a few bricks), I'll sell my .22s, although I might be better off selling the whole kit and kaboodle now before demand for ammunition decreases.
 
I can occasionally find it online at reasonable prices. My LGS can't keep anything other than the super-premium match stuff in stock.

I wish somebody would just step in to fill the void between demand and supply!
 
Go ahead and support your local scam artists and scalpers.

They aren't scamming - they have set an asking price that folks are willing to pay (I am NOT one of those folks since I also have enough for my needs already). Since folks are WILLINGLY paying their asking prices, there is no scalping or even gouging; what you are watching is free market economics at work where they supply and demand are not equal resulting in a profitable business venture. No different than gas prices, wheat or any other commodity subject to market forces. I bought ammo at Gander well within reasonable current pricing for the different types. Since Walmart works off a different pricing model, they sell at a certain mark-up that does not currently reflect the market conditions; but with the tens of thousands of SKUs they have, they aren't going to change their model for this item.
 
Anybody sitting on well over 100k rounds of .22 from decades ago needs to do more shooting....

Not really, i've used up over half the Winchester target ammo i originally acquired along other .22 ammo.
 
I like to think that somewhere out there, there's one guy who's got a warehouse FULL of .22 and hes just out there laughing hysterically.

He swims in them like Scrooge Mcduck swam through his money vault.

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I'm in NE Kansas and the shelves at our local Cabela's is nearly always empty. Same w it Dick's, Walmart, BassPro, etc. They get stock in, but it sells out quickly. Gun Shows seem to have plenty, but prices are still around 10 cents per round for the "cheap" stuff. Plenty of more expensive match grade is available. I have found plenty of 17 HMR so I have been shooting my 2 17HMRs recently. 17 Mach 2 is non-existent.
 
Pretty much the same as others have experienced finding this stuff. The match grade boxes are seen here and there. The regular stuff is haunted by regulars who stalk the stores in anticipation to them being put on the shelf if it has arrived.

I happened into Walmart at the magical 4'ish time to be told by one of the guys waiting that he'd called and the stock gal mentioned to him that there was a shipment of .22 in back. We waited and asked the manager what was back there. He said no, the gal was misinformed and the only ammo back there was 9, 40 and 45. The two clerks I queried on other days about .22 had not seen it but to keep checking back because it does trickle in. From my conversation with that other ammo buyer in the store he relayed that there is a good sized group that hits up the local stores in search of .22. He said ever been to an Apple product new release...he said it is like that on some mornings. :eek:

Fortunately I had Aguila left but that 5K is going down steadily and once gone replacement seems unlikely. Well unless I am willing to join the hordes who also want this ammo and stalk the local stores. . :uhoh:
 
Jumbojimbo, that picture made me laugh imagining all those coins being rounds of .22lr. Haha

Picked up another 250 rounds of CCI SV today at my LGS. Cost me about $22.50. It's hard for me to stock up, because I usually shoot 150-200 rounds a week. But I'm slowly making progress...
 
Honestly, I can't really figure out your motives in this <snip>...

I did want to reply to this and must have forgot when I ran out of wind....

I was actually trying to lob some softballs for you.... unfortunately, you were playing hockey. Maybe I should have lobbed some pucks instead.

We are actually probably 90% in agreement. Its that dang forest that blocking your view of the tress.
 
I can't find .22LR at a price I'm willing to pay. The last I bought was some CCI MiniMag at Walmart around Christmas time in western Kentucky. Price was reasonable for holiday shooting with the family. The next day their whole stock was gone again. Guess I got lucky.

Does anyone know if unobtainium will penetrate Level IIIa armor? Because that's what .22LR seems to made of in VT.
 
My local range usually has it, but only to sell to people renting. The front store stock is always dry. Same for local Wally World.
 
I assume part of the issue is the lack of imported 22lr? Am I wrong in my understanding that Wolf Match 22 isn't available because of import restrictions?
No we don't have trade restrictions with Germany where it is made. It is made on the same machines as SK Standard+. In fact it is the same ammo, just different packaging.
 
I thought WOLF was Russian as well?

WOLF Performance Ammunition is a trademark associated with Sporting Supplies International (SSI), a corporation in the United States. The ammunition is mostly manufactured by Tulskiy Patronniy Zavod (Tula Cartridge Plant) in Tula, Tula District, Russia. Some .22-caliber rimfire ammunition is made by SK Jagd und Sportmunitions Gmbh (SK Hunting- and Sporting-Ammunition) of Schönebeck, Salzlandkreis, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany.

WOLF Rimfire - Match grade .22LR ammunition from Germany and Russia. Comes in a black box.

Maybe the Russian stuff has been stopped?
 
I like to think that somewhere out there, there's one guy who's got a warehouse FULL of .22 and hes just out there laughing hysterically.

He swims in them like Scrooge Mcduck swam through his money vault.

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I laughed way harder than I should have at this xD
 
The best luck I've had is my LGS recently had CCI Mini-Mag 300 rd boxes for $30 which is still too expensive IMHO, but I bought 1200 rds. AND Palmetto State Armory frequently has decent .22LR for a around 10 cents a round. In fact I bought a load of Mini-mag in 100 round boxes a couple months ago from them. I'm not a PSA fan, but they have good prices on ammo occasionally, of course you might wait weeks to get it. PSA seems to be getting better slowly.

I miss the days of 5 cent a round .22LR.
 
Na, I haven't even been looking. I stocked up when it was on sale for $.014 a round, and have enough to last another 4 or 5 years.

If it doesn't get back to normal by then I'll just move on. I mean, I can load 32 S&W long for 6 cents, 9mm for 7 cents, 45 for 9 cents, 7.62x39 for 14 cents or 45/70 gov for 20 cents. Much more bang per buck.

Though I see stock coming back, and I think it will end before fall. But unless it gets cheaper than 5 cents ill just sell my 22lr firearms and shoot bigger calibers cheaper.

I do get a chuckle at those people paying 10 cents or more for..... wait for it..... bottom of the line 22LR!!! :neener:
 
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Before the '16 election takes place, or the next Unanticipated panic/"terrible event", buying a bit at .10/rd. is like an insurance price for having extra .22LR ammo.

A staffer last night at a local Walmart (Hwy 64: Bartlett/Memphis) told me that the guys who spent their retirement mornings there have stopped waiting for .22LR to be brought out.
The staffer said that those guys no longer find .22LR worth the bother. He did not qualify his comments as to why. But they certainly had boxes of Federal .380 Auto and lots of 9mm Luger etc.

clone: Maybe you are also in the "SKS value" club, instead of .22LR? One 7.62x39 round can be so much more fun blasting a small concrete target or water jug than two rds. of .22LR, for approx. the same cost.
 
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I have received over 2,500 rounds this week, delivered to my door(s), by Midway. Federal which is fine for what I use it for.
I sort of laugh when I see these continuous posts about Walmart and the other big box stores, scalpers, gougers, etc. There is this new-fangled thing called the INTERNET where you can find all sorts of goodies and have them delivered to your house. I bought 1,000 rounds from my hotel bed in Vegas in the middle of the night last week. Watching TV, got an email and bought it from my cell phone. It was in my kitchen when I got home yesterday. The days of dropping by Wally World or the LGS and picking up a few boxes on the day to the range have been gone for a couple of years. Will they come back? I sure hope so. I would rather keep a modest supply on hand and replenish as I shoot rather than keeping a years supply or more on hand.
Shortage? Maybe. It seems like more a shortage of readily available ammo at prices people want to pay. Right now on Wikiarms there are about 20 companies selling 22 ammo for less than a dime a round. With freight it will come to a dime or so. That is higher than I want to pay for most ammo, though I did see some Yellow Jacket, but it sure blows away most of the shortage complaints.
 
Yes, 22 LR is certainly available. The issue is the price. If you are willing to pay $.10-$.12/round you can find it online at any time -- plinking stuff for $.10 or perhaps something like Wolf Match Target or similar for $.12 or so.

But unless you're at WalMart at the right time there isn't much of an option for the $.05/round stuff anymore. I've picked up 4K rounds (2K x 2 finds) in the past 3 months or so by checking every time my wife or I have to dart in there for a household item, but if you're not there within an hour or so after they put it out, you're probably not getting any.

Now, 22 WMR, that stuff pretty much doesn't exist unless you are willing to pay .223 prices for it.
 
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