Can you find .22lr?

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It's available at the LGS sometimes, at inflated prices. It comes in to Walmart about once a week, but the same old farts are always first in line to buy it (and resell it at 2X-3X the WM price), and the pawn shops have plenty, at 2X-3X normal price.
It's there, and once in a while, when the planets line up, I run into it at a normal price! I have about 1200 rounds on hand now. Some call me a hoarder for that.

My plinking is mostly air rifle now. That or 9mm, which I can reload for less than going rates for .22lr.
 
I assume part of the issue is the lack of imported 22lr? Am I wrong in my understanding that Wolf Match 22 isn't available because of import restrictions?
 
Import ammo has be easier to find than domestic. I have bought 25K+ Lapua and Eley rounds in the past two years.
 
Imported ammo seems to always be available online, but it's usually way too expensive. I never see Imported .22 ammo in any local shops near me.
 
Just a reminder: The view from your front porch is not the same as the view from my front porch. Whatever the reason you cannot just walk into any sporting goods store or gun shop and buy however many rounds of .22LR you want as you could before 2008. Explain it however you want but the reality sucks.
 
Note from another site.

I was in Ontario 2 weeks ago. I stopped into a gunstore in Hamilton. They had thousands of 22 LR for sale on the shelf for .02 per round. I was going to buy a couple thousand but I wasn't sure if I could get them through customs.
 
Have not seen any .22LR ammo at major retailers for 3 years or more.

Shelves are hit and miss at Walmart in Highland Village TX. I "hit" a week or so ago for 100-round packs of CCI Standard Vel for around $8 per pack.

Really? that is just a few miles from me.
I have been there multiple times in the last three years...guess I wasn't there in the correct hour and day.

I work full time, so my time to explore various WMs, is (as are many people's) limited...
 
Note from another site.

I was in Ontario 2 weeks ago. I stopped into a gunstore in Hamilton. They had thousands of 22 LR for sale on the shelf for .02 per round. I was going to buy a couple thousand but I wasn't sure if I could get them through customs.

That makes sense. Canadians aren't buying up every box of 22LR they can find. I've heard the same thing from gun owners in other countries too.
 
I am sure that most people have this info but here are two internet sites that update ammo in all calibers. You can set them up to send you alerts when a certain ammo becomes available at a certain price. You have to be able to make the purchase RIGHT NOW because waiting for 10 minutes normally means the retailer will be out. I have been able to shoot all I want and keep plenty on hand for needy friends. i know I have given over 10k rounds to friends in the past year and in 2013 I supplied the local sheriff with 9mm for a Ladies training session. They sold the ammo to the people wanting to take the class and gave me back a certain amount to cover my cost. Ladies got to train, sheriff department made a few bucks. Virtually all of that ammo was bought through these two sites and none of it was at "gouger" prices.

www.ammoseek.com

www.wikiarms.com

Wikiarms has a link to check local Walmarts for ammo availability but I have never actually made a trip to see if it is accurate. Most of the 22 I have has come from Midway and I often get the alert at 3 AM EST. Sometimes it is gone before I can even look. Sometimes it is a limit of one box of 50 with $10 shipping but once in a while I get a decent deal. I have not paid over $.09 per round DELIVERED for any of the bulk ammo I have. Federal, Winchester, Remington, CCI. Is that 2007 pricing? No but it is acceptable to me right now.
 
I refuse to buy anything from Walmart, and mine NEVER has ammo anyway, not even 9mm or 45acp. They also don't carry guns at my local Walmart. I have not once in my life been to a Cabelas, except to meet someone in the parking lot. I've been inside a Dick's once, and Dunhams a few times.

The big stores just don't do anything for me. Not to mention the ones near me have horrible selection and availability, with plenty of incompetent employees and an unfriendly atmosphere. Even if they did have .22 ammo (and they don't) I'd never step foot in one unless I had to. I never have any trouble finding .22lr or anything else I may need at my local "small" gun shops
 
Sooner or later some young engineer type will figure it out and find us a loading (machine) for 22 LR. He'll retire soon and rich. And the hurdles and hoops to solve the rimfire reloading problems won't end up being all that tough.
 
Absolutely not. The major retailers in my area are NOT getting decent quantities; some varieties, they are not getting ANY.

Either that, or EVERY clerk at EVERY retailer is telling me the exact same LIE.
Don't know what to tell you, but I can't imagine why a Wal-Mart or other big retailer in your area would be different from one in my area.

.22LR is being shipped to the big retailers in this area and it is being sold to customers here. It's just that it's being sold VERY fast. So fast that in my area they stopped even putting a space for it on the shelves. People line up to buy it when a shipment comes in and it never gets to the shelves.

Now, when I say decent quantities, I'm talking about reasonable quantities based on the fact that there is a nationwide demand surge that has continued long enough to completely empty the shelves at every big retailer I know of. Given that everyone is trying to restock all at once WHILE the demand surge is still in progress, no one is going to be getting in as much .22LR as they want.

They could be trying to tell you that they're not getting in as much as they want or as much as they order and that would be true--at least it would make perfect sense. But if they're telling you that they're not getting any in then I would be very skeptical.

The people who keep lining up at the Wal-Mart down the street aren't lining up because nothing is coming in. They're lining up to get what is coming in.
 
For a while, I was not able to readily find 22lr in any store.

Recently, an Academy was built close-by and they stock 50rd boxes of 22lr with 2-box limit per visit. I still have not seen bricks, but according to the employees they do get them and they sell out immediately.
 
Yes, tons of it via sellers on Gunbot or Ammoseek.
Other than the illusion of avoiding shipping charges, why must ammo be bought in local stores?
They pay for shipping, and you pay for shipping, retail mark-up plus retail tax.

For approx. twice the price of lower-priced .22LR, 7.62x39 is a much better value. Even with over a dozen bricks of .22LR
(most is stored for the Next panic) the SKS has become my ".22 rifle".
 
The Walmart ' s in my area claim to only get a case of ten bulk boxes when they get it.
There are 5,000 WalMarts in the U.S. Let's assume that your store is reasonably representative of other WalMart stores, that they get in an order once a week and they're talking about the 325 round bulk boxes.

That's 16,250,000 rounds a week going to WalMarts around the U.S.--about 845,000,000 a year.

The manufacturing capacity for .22LR is somewhere around 4.2Billion rounds a year. 4.2billion divided by 845 million is about 5.

That means about a fifth of the entire manufacturing volume of .22LR would going to WalMarts.

If we assume that they're talking about the 550 round bulk boxes and that's fairly representative of what other WalMarts are getting in then WalMarts around the country are retailing more than a third of the entire .22LR manufacturing volume.

Here's another way to look at it.

4.2 billion rounds per year is about 81 million rounds a week. Let's say it all goes into 500 round bricks. That's about 162 thousand bricks a week. Let's say that every single one of those bricks goes to a WalMart store. No other retailer gets so much as a single round. Let's say that the bricks are distributed evenly amongst the 5,000 WalMart stores in the U.S.

If that happened, then each WalMart in the U.S. would get 32 or 33 bricks a week.

When you consider that WalMart is only one of many ammo retailers in the country, it should now be obvious that ten bulk boxes a week per WalMart store is actually a lot of ammo--especially viewed in terms of what's actually being produced.

Taking the information above, it should now be obvious that it only takes a few people to keep the WalMart shelves empty of ammo. Even if ALL the .22LR ammo were going to WalMarts exclusively, it would only take 10 or 11 people per WalMart store to clean the shelves if each one bought the 3 brick limit.
 
It has now been the better part of three years since I've seen 22 ammo for sale on a Walmart shelf.

And this is less than 75 miles from the corporate office


Let's face it. This isn't going to get better it IS the new normal
 
There are 5,000 WalMarts in the U.S. Let's assume that your store is reasonably representative of other WalMart stores, that they get in an order once a week and they're talking about the 325 round bulk boxes.

That's 16,250,000 rounds a week going to WalMarts around the U.S.--about 845,000,000 a year.

The manufacturing capacity for .22LR is somewhere around 4.2Billion rounds a year. 4.2billion divided by 845 million is about 5.

That means about a fifth of the entire manufacturing volume of .22LR would going to WalMarts.

If we assume that they're talking about the 550 round bulk boxes and that's fairly representative of what other WalMarts are getting in then WalMarts around the country are retailing more than a third of the entire .22LR manufacturing volume.

Here's another way to look at it.

4.2 billion rounds per year is about 81 million rounds a week. Let's say it all goes into 500 round bricks. That's about 162 thousand bricks a week. Let's say that every single one of those bricks goes to a WalMart store. No other retailer gets so much as a single round. Let's say that the bricks are distributed evenly amongst the 5,000 WalMart stores in the U.S.

If that happened, then each WalMart in the U.S. would get 32 or 33 bricks a week.

When you consider that WalMart is only one of many ammo retailers in the country, it should now be obvious that ten bulk boxes a week per WalMart store is actually a lot of ammo--especially viewed in terms of what's actually being produced.

Taking the information above, it should now be obvious that it only takes a few people to keep the WalMart shelves empty of ammo. Even if ALL the .22LR ammo were going to WalMarts exclusively, it would only take 10 or 11 people per WalMart store to clean the shelves if each one bought the 3 brick limit.
This is an excellent point. Not all walmarts carry ammo, but a significant number do. I actually think that if the big box stores raised their prices in line with demand (like most LGS), we'd see the hoarding/panic buying slow down, demand would normalize, and then prices would drop back down.
 
The people who keep lining up at the Wal-Mart down the street aren't lining up because nothing is coming in. They're lining up to get what is coming in.

And if it's true that it's the "same people" every time then that equals a significant investment of time and money, the SHTF zombie apocalypse story wouldn't carry this buying this far so somebody must be making money on this.

Look in the mirror We have seen the enemy and he is Us, every time someone buys a box off GB or at a gunshow they extend the problem, if profit wasn't being made people wouldn't be standing in line.
 
There are 5,000 WalMarts in the U.S. Let's assume that your store is reasonably representative of other WalMart stores, that they get in an order once a week and they're talking about the 325 round bulk boxes.

That's 16,250,000 rounds a week going to WalMarts around the U.S.--about 845,000,000 a year.

The manufacturing capacity for .22LR is somewhere around 4.2Billion rounds a year. 4.2billion divided by 845 million is about 5.

That means about a fifth of the entire manufacturing volume of .22LR would going to WalMarts.

If we assume that they're talking about the 550 round bulk boxes and that's fairly representative of what other WalMarts are getting in then WalMarts around the country are retailing more than a third of the entire .22LR manufacturing volume.

Here's another way to look at it.

4.2 billion rounds per year is about 81 million rounds a week. Let's say it all goes into 500 round bricks. That's about 162 thousand bricks a week. Let's say that every single one of those bricks goes to a WalMart store. No other retailer gets so much as a single round. Let's say that the bricks are distributed evenly amongst the 5,000 WalMart stores in the U.S.

If that happened, then each WalMart in the U.S. would get 32 or 33 bricks a week.

When you consider that WalMart is only one of many ammo retailers in the country, it should now be obvious that ten bulk boxes a week per WalMart store is actually a lot of ammo--especially viewed in terms of what's actually being produced.

Taking the information above, it should now be obvious that it only takes a few people to keep the WalMart shelves empty of ammo. Even if ALL the .22LR ammo were going to WalMarts exclusively, it would only take 10 or 11 people per WalMart store to clean the shelves if each one bought the 3 brick limit.


Numbers don't lie and that a good way to explain even though that's assuming that every walmart would even sell 30 boxes a week; I bet that's not the case.

Regardless, your numbers paraphrase well.

But in this case, they don't jive either.

Generally speaking, we went from 'no one' complaining about 22lr to 'everyone' complaining practically over night 3 yrs ago. It wasn't over the course of a year we gradually saw they decline of availability.

And it wasn't just 22lr.... it was almost everything except shotgun ammo.

However, everything has come back now for quite some time Except 22lr.

Also keep in mind that while there was a big increase in gun sales, 22lr would have been maybe 10% of those new guns... at very most? Not many new models of 22's which tells us that most interest is in center fire.



Either we were at the very edge of having a natural supply/demand/price issue as a result of new shooters AND by bad luck timing the Banic and wacko killers hit at the same. - Meaning, the perfect storm. When the scale tilted, it didn't just tilt; it actually tipped so hard it fell off the table. And with out additional supply, this is the reality into the foreseeable future.

Or, Mfg'rs aren't making what they say they are.

And that would certainly explain why a lot of us are saying that the retail stores aren't getting the same qtys they used to.

No one seems to be addressing that issue here.


I wonder if one of you re-loader people could help fill in the blanks for me.

9mm has roughly 3 times the lead as 22lr.

Does a 9mm brass weigh 3 times what a 22lr brass weighs?

What about the powder?.

If its all roughly 3x (keeping in mind the primer difference), then I'm guessing the ammo mfg'rs have decide that 22lr will no longer be less profitable than 9mm.


And the craziness of the market is a reflection of the internet age when things go 'viral' and 'crowd sourcing' have proved to have dramatic and very rapid swings.
 
Rimfire is my favorite flavor, I buy it in bulk on line. Perhaps because I'm fussy about brand. I'd have to drive 100 miles to get to a big store like Cabela's.

Same here. Academy always has it, but it's limit of 2 or 3 depending on their mood and only 1 bulk if they have it. Variety varies, but they often have Aguila and Federal standard velocity. The Aguila Super Extra is good stuff, but 7 or 8 cents a round, right up there with CCI.

Academy is 60 miles from me, but I stop there when I'm in the neighborhood.

My online source....

http://www.wikiarms.com/
 
Look in the mirror We have seen the enemy and he is Us, every time someone buys a box off GB or at a gunshow they extend the problem, if profit wasn't being made people wouldn't be standing in line.

...and if I don't buy a brick off GB or at a gunshow I have to wait for the stars to align properly and get my three 50 round boxes from my local store. I like to shoot more than once every couple of months.
 
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