Carry philosophy / perspective agree or disagree with me.

In this example, carrying the 22 by choice makes it defacto preferred.

  • Yes, I agree

    Votes: 20 21.5%

  • No, I disagree.

    Votes: 73 78.5%
  • Total voters
    93
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Im thinking common sense isnt as common as some like think. ;)

Theres no need to put on a sports coat or anything of the sort to carry a Beretta 92, or similar sized gun, even in the heat of the summer. A normal sized (ie, one that "fits" you, not one too tight or too large) untucked tee or Polo shirt will easily cover and conceal one.

I know this because I do so carrying a Glock 17 with a reload on a daily basis and have carried a 92 in the exact same place with the same type of holster and clothes.

You can even "tuck" them if you want to wear tucked in shirts. Its just a matter of learning how to carry the gun.
 
LOL. How was I being condescending? All I said was, there's no need for a sports coat and they are easily concealed. If I'm wrong there, please do enlighten us as to why, because I haven't found that to be the case.

I dont care what you do, or what you wear. If you're going to carry a gun, the 92 is a good choice. ;)
 
Well good. :)

Want to explain how Im wrong in either of these cases too?

Or are you just going to nit pick each line I type and not explain why its wrong?
 
It isnt about ME, its about the right choice of tool for the fight you dont get to plan for. Thats it, pure and simple, and it applies to EVERYONE.

And since we dont get to pick the fight, usually anyway, you have to pick the best and most realistic tool that will likely cover "anything" you might have to deal with, not just the one scenario you always win in your mind.

Now if YOU can make a small gun work for "anything" you might get handed, great, you've got it made. I find that a bit hard to believe, but, if you say so, Ill be happy to watch and learn.

I shoot those types of guns on a pretty regular basis as well, and I dont find them to be a good choice for the task at hand as a primary gun, and think they really should be relegated as a backup. But, that's ME. Thats why I carry a full sized gun I shoot the best with and practice with all the time. It gives ME the best chance.

Im also going on the assumption here, that regardless what you choose, you work hard on a regular basis at being somewhat "realistically" competent with it, but that's a whole other issue. :thumbup:

And please dont say Im being condescending because I think YOU should be competent with what you carry. WE all should be! If you're not, that's all on YOU, and it is your responsibility, to you and all of us, to be the best you can be.

From what Ive seen with how a lot of people practice and shoot, I dont know whos scarier, the bad guys or someone who just buys a gun and throws it in their pocket and calls it good. I dont want to get shot because some knucklehead couldn't bother to go beyond just buying a gun and is literally incompetent with it.

So, is it Im being condescending, or passive-aggressive, or whatever else that might annoy you, or is it I just hurt your widdle feelings because I touched a sore spot and you dont like it?

Whatever. Its OK, Im already over it. Carry on. :p
 
Here is the problem as I see it.
trackskippy said:
that will likely cover "anything" you might have to deal with
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The above statement reveals the subjective nature of this discussion. “Likely” and “might” obviously leave room for individual choices, based on opinions and personal experiences.

trackskippy said:
Now if YOU can make a small gun work for "anything" you might get handed, great
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The “anything” makes it impossible. The one gun that will “work for "anything" you might get handed” doesn’t exist and it never will.


This is obviously a futile debate.
 
I think this is over at 78.5% saying no.

If you want to carry the same firearm 100% of the time then do it!
For those of us that have actual lives that require different attire and environments we will carry based on those situations. If it is a 22lr then carry it and thank you! You may save someone's life with it!!!
 
CraigC said:
As would I but I'm not putting on a friggin' sport coat to go get a pack of gum. :confused:
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CraigC said:
Correction, there's no need for YOU to put on a sports coat to conceal one. When I carry one, it's under a jacket. Period.
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We are not having a debate, must be a discussion. :)
I don't own a "sport coat", inappropriate name for a article of clothing that nobody plays sports in.
When I go to church, untucked loose fit shirt, same as everywhere else. (The horror).
I've lived in FL over a year and smallest I've carried is a Glock 19 - Yes, even for a "quick trip to the store" in a "good area".
I don't have to put the Glock on to go to the store, I start and end the day with a Glock on my belt, all day, everyday - despite being in a good area.
Gratuitous pic of example sloven untucked shirt representative of my daily attire, which easily conceals a Glock 19 or larger AIWB:
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Am I supposed to end my comments with, period? :evil:
 
CDW4ME said:
When I go to church, untucked loose fit shirt, same as everywhere else. (The horror).
I've lived in FL over a year and smallest I've carried is a Glock 19 - Yes, even for a "quick trip to the store" in a "good area".
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So does the fact that you carry a G19 when you choose to "GO TO" the store or church, when you can sit at home and have anything you need delivered and watch sermons online mean you prefer to take your G19 to a gunfight over a AR15?
 
mavracer said:
So does the fact that you carry a G19 when you choose to "GO TO" the store or church, when you can sit at home and have anything you need delivered and watch sermons online mean you prefer to take your G19 to a gunfight over a AR15?
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We've been over this. The Glock 17/19 sized handgun is the arbitrary line he decided is the correct answer. Anything above that is ridiculous and anything below that is ill prepared.

This whole thread is nothing but an thinly veiled attempt to make the same comments he makes on every concealed carry post.
 
CDW4ME said:
We are not having a debate, must be a discussion. :)
I don't own a "sport coat", inappropriate name for a article of clothing that nobody plays sports in.
When I go to church, untucked loose fit shirt, same as everywhere else. (The horror).
I've lived in FL over a year and smallest I've carried is a Glock 19 - Yes, even for a "quick trip to the store" in a "good area".
I don't have to put the Glock on to go to the store, I start and end the day with a Glock on my belt, all day, everyday - despite being in a good area.
Gratuitous pic of example sloven untucked shirt representative of my daily attire, which easily conceals a Glock 19 or larger AIWB:
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Am I supposed to end my comments with, period? :evil:
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So you always dress the same and you always carry the same. Good. Good for you. Now can we allow for others who may choose differently? May we, please? When I dress like you do, I wear the LC9 or an XDS. If I go to the convenience store, which may be twice a year, I will more than likely be wearing a T-shirt and pants or shorts. As I said, I only wear a full sized double stack 9mm when I wear a sport coat or suit. Is that okay with you? Do we have your permission to choose something other than a G19? Do we have your permission to dress in our own way? This is exactly why I hesitated to even respond to this thread.


trackskippy said:
So, is it Im being condescending, or passive-aggressive, or whatever else that might annoy you, or is it I just hurt your widdle feelings because I touched a sore spot and you dont like it?
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No, it didn't "hurt my widdle feelings". It pisses me off. When we're in the middle of a discussion of concealed carry options, no one who's been carrying for decades appreciates the accusation that they "need to learn how to carry". Nor does the average civilized adult like their intelligence insulted with comments like "Im thinking common sense isnt as common as some like think.". Not only is it not conducive to a polite discussion, it also implies that because you chose to launch a personal attack, you lack the intellect to construct a cogent argument. Which is not in and of itself a personal attack but an observation based on your behavior. So, we gonna talk about guns or are we going to insult each other? The mods don't take kindly to the latter and I don't have time for it.
 
CraigC said:
So you always dress the same and you always carry the same. Good. Good for you. Now can we allow for others who may choose differently? May we, please? When I dress like you do, I wear the LC9 or an XDS. If I go to the convenience store, which may be twice a year, I will more than likely be wearing a T-shirt and pants or shorts. As I said, I only wear a full sized double stack 9mm when I wear a sport coat or suit. Is that okay with you? Do we have your permission to choose something other than a G19? Do we have your permission to dress in our own way? This is exactly why I hesitated to even respond to this thread.



No, it didn't "hurt my widdle feelings". It pisses me off. When we're in the middle of a discussion of concealed carry options, no one who's been carrying for decades appreciates the accusation that they "need to learn how to carry". Nor does the average civilized adult like their intelligence insulted with comments like "Im thinking common sense isnt as common as some like think.". Not only is it not conducive to a polite discussion, it also implies that because you chose to launch a personal attack, you lack the intellect to construct a cogent argument. Which is not in and of itself a personal attack but an observation based on your behavior. So, we gonna talk about guns or are we going to insult each other? The mods don't take kindly to the latter and I don't have time for it.
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No way you have to carry a Glock 19! Even though there has been many options that are more comfortable and designed specifically for carry in the past 5-6 years!!!!

(Note there is nothing wrong with the Glock 19 or Smith 19. Carry what you want to carry.)
 
CraigC said:
So, we gonna talk about guns or are we going to insult each other?
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But wait! There's more!

There are now wonderful compromises available -- little pistols that shoot like much bigger guns with much larger magazine capacity. Yes, that's right, I'm speaking of little things such as the SIG P-365, Springfield Armory Hellcat, Kimber Mako et al.

We can have our cake and eat it, too!

Seriously, though, Craig is correct -- too often, we end up disparaging the comments and practices of other members. I have probably made a belittling comment or two in the past myself when speaking to members who admit to carrying mouse guns. But, we're all on the same side, right? So unlike our political parties and the rest of the country's population, we should strive to find topics to unite us, common ground, and learn to live with the fact that not all of us have the same needs, desires or methods of assuring our safety and state of preparedness.

No room for insulting each other here (I'll strive to do better myself as well).

By the way, for those who've never tried it, wearing a sport jacket is not only a great mode of concealment for larger handguns, you still get lots of pockets, look sharp, tend to get taken a bit more seriously as a customer in businesses and will get called "Sir" a lot more often.
 
mavracer said:
So does the fact that you carry a G19 when you choose to "GO TO" the store or church, when you can sit at home and have anything you need delivered and watch sermons online mean you prefer to take your G19 to a gunfight over a AR15?
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Glock 19 is easily concealed, AR15 is not.
Also, I practice frequently with handguns, have not shot AR in nearly three years.

C-grunt said:
We've been over this. The Glock 17/19 sized handgun is the arbitrary line he decided is the correct answer. Anything above that is ridiculous and anything below that is ill prepared.
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Glock 17/19 is not the only correct answer, but it is a good one.
 
460Shooter said:
This is exactly why I mostly walked away from THR and the gun community for the last two years.
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Stick with us my friend! Remember 90% of the THR support one another and 10% think their opinion is the only one.
I have been sarcastic at times, but will always support a person's choice.

Thanks for taking The High Road.
 
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