Carry with chamber empty or loaded?

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Many of us have never been in a "real fight" or been punched/kicked for real.
:what: Really?......I guess you could be right though.

I live in a city where crimes against individuals on the street and violent home invasion attacks occur on a daily basis. Believe me, I KNOW I am prey, not a predator. I think like a prey and take every advantage I can turn to my favor.

I'm just a country boy and things are for sure different in my neck of the woods but when I do need to venture to the areas like you live, I sure don't act like prey.

I never let those slugs think they'll intimidate me. I'm not a predator in the sense that those animals are but I'm not their prey and I believe my body language displays that to them. I believe they're not sure what to think of me. They know I'm different than them but I don't believe they're pegging me as easy prey

I'd have to believe if you KNOW you're prey and you THINK like prey, you ACT like prey......That really doesn't sound like a very good plan to prevent an attack. I'd prefer them to have a sense that if they @#%^ with me, the fights on and win, lose or draw, they're gonna know they've been in a fight.

That's the country boy way. ;)
 
It will be better to throw/toss the wallet far enough to the side so the BG will have to take his eyes off of you to follow the wallet.

Or perhaps you could just yell out -Look behind you! or your shoes untied! Then easily draw and present your weapon hence rendering the BG frozen in place. :D
 
I am against safeties and against empty chambers!

+1 to that! All my semis were kept with chamber empty at one time. That is until I woke up and realized that a chambered/hammer down semi is no difference than carrying a modern revolver fully loaded. For a carry weapon to be un-chambered is like carrying an unloaded gun. The extra couple/few seconds it takes to rack the slide could be the difference between life and death.
 
I always carry chambered. Doesn't make sense to me to give the BG an advantage from the start. I may carry 1 round short in some of my older revolvers (I learned that lesson the hard way back in the mid 80's), but my semi's are ready at all times.
 
One reason to NOT carry with an empty chamber that I have not seen mentioned is the possibility of mechanical failure. When I load my gun in the relative safety of my house I have the ability to chamber the round, open the slide slightly to verify there is a round present in the chamber and the extractor is pulling the round like it should, close the slide again and verify the gun is in full battery by checking that the rear of the slide is flush against the top of the gun's frame. This eliminates all possibilities of a failure to feed. The only mechanical failure left on that all important first round is now a failure to fire.

I would rather deal with a failure to feed in my own home than on the street with a bad guy breathing down my neck.

To me, every excuse for not carrying with a chambered round is solved by a good holster and a good gun and minimal training and attentiveness. A good holster will cover the trigger sufficiently to avoid a negligent discharge in the holster. A good holster will retain the gun sufficiently to prevent a gun grab. A good gun will not discharge when dropped. Minimal training and attentiveness will minimize the chance of a negligent discharge while unloading/loading the gun if I have kids at home and will ensure that if I have a negligent discharge that the round will go in a safe direction.

We cannot predict when we will need our gun or under what circumstance. You say you can rack the slide in enough time. You say you are in a safe enough environment. But how do you know? How do you know you won't need your weak hand to push your wife behind you during an attack, or to push against the attacker who got the drop on you? Do you know that some nut job who just got fired isn't going to come back to your local Wal Mart or grocery store with a gun?

To me, carrying with an empty chamber is only intentionally introducing an unneccesary handicap which limits my possible self defense action. Why would I want to introduce that handicap?

That being said, I have absolutely no concern at all if someone else decides to carry an empty gun or if someone else decides to not carry a gun at all. It's their life, it has no affect on my ability to defend myself. But keep in mind that there is a universal rule that applies to skydiving and self defense:

When you are skydiving, once you exit the airplane you have the rest of your life to effectively deploy your parachute. Once I exit the airplane is NOT the time to decide to pack my chute into the carrier, regardless of how proficient at packing a chute I am.

When you NEED to use your gun, you have the rest of your life to effectively deploy your gun. Once I have determined that I am going to need my gun to defend my life is NOT the time that I am going to make the gun ready to fire.

I wouldn't pack my parachute in the airplane before jumpig or after I have jumped. I won't make my gun ready to fire on the street or after the bad guy has already attacked me.
 
I'd have to believe if you KNOW you're prey and you THINK like prey, you ACT like prey......That really doesn't sound like a very good plan to prevent an attack. I'd prefer them to have a sense that if they @#%^ with me, the fights on and win, lose or draw, they're gonna know they've been in a fight.

That's the country boy way.

Absolutely! And should be the way it is anywhere. If you act like prey, you'll be smelled out just like a hawk on a sparrow. I'm not suggesting everyone should be 10ft tall and bullet proof but rather have a presence about you that just says "I'm on top of things". Walking around looking meek, with your head down, shoulders slumped and appearing to be an easy target is not the best. On the other hand, appearing that you're looking for a fight isn't good either because there are those that feel they just have to challenge.

But yes, I always carry with one in the tube, you have to! Depending on which gun I carry, either cocked and locked, cylinder fully loaded or in the case of my XD pre-cocked and kinda locked or some such crap. :p ;)
 
my Glock always has one in the chamber if I'm not shooting IDPA. I use a paddle holster that covers the trigger completely and I am trained not to put my finger on the trigger until I'm ready to shoot.
I'm of the same mindset. If it's in a holster and the trigger is covered I keep one in the chamber.

I don't carry because I think I'm going to be in a gunfight (although that could happen), I'm more concerned with the up close and personal fight. If they're at arms length, you don't even have 1.5 seconds.
 
welcome to thr.

There are several posts about this on a monthly basis on this and many other forums. I carry with a round in the chamber. Try to complete a "Tueller aka 21 feet drill" with a gun concealed, it is hard enough in that fashion, now try without a round chambered, and i doubt that you will be able to complete the drill in time.
 
Carrying with an empty chamber can allow you to come to the defense of someone else.

It of course is clearly safer as you essentially do not have a loaded weapon.
Carrying a weapon ready to fire has inherent risks.
Most modern firearms are relatively drop resistant unless heavily modified with light triggers and such. Although if you plan to be involved in activities with a lot of rolling or hard falls it still could potentially discharge with hard enough impacts at the right angle.


( Do remember that most negligent discharges happen with 'unloaded' guns. So being less cautious because you 'know' the gun is 'unloaded' is actually more likely to result in dangerous results.)

Carrying with an empty chamber though is likely to make you unable to defend yourself or your immediate group/family.
If the bad guy is paying attention to you or attacking you that is far too many steps.



For a place like Israel with a major and constant threat of mass shooters, suicide bombers, and similar attacks from a large hostile population it made sense at the time. People with limited training can carry a weapon posing minimal risk, yet still be able to react to protect others and stop someone attacking others.
The primary risk is mass killers, not common criminals.



That is the difference. An unchambered weapon allows you to still come to the aid of others. When the bad guy is focusing someplace else or attacking someone else the added step of chambering a round is not much of an inconvenience.
But an unchambered gun does not allow you to come to the aid of yourself very reliably.
Since most people in the USA seem to be primarily interested in self defense of themselves and their family, an unchambered gun is little better than no gun for them in many scenarios the firearm is intended to counter.
 
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