CCI Standard - CCI Blazer

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Hello,
Currently I shoot standard CCI 22lr and just tried out CCI Blazer 22lr. Question: what to prefer in pistol shooting and revolver shooting?
Do you have any experiences to share on the subject?
 
I buy both by the 5k case, usually two cases at a time. About 10 years ago, Federal was my go to.

Plinking duty is split between CCI Blazer mostly in pistols and CCI Standard velocity target mostly in rifles.

CCI Standard for distance and accuracy, example clay pigeons at 100 yards off hand or 3-position bullseye competition at 50 feet indoor. CCI Blazer for hunting and pistol bowling pin competition (cut off tops) for the extra energy.

In my experience, either could serve any role as I’ve not had cycling issues. Blazer being not as accurate is only revealed from the bench with a good rifle or pistol.
 
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I use whatever is available for my 22 pistols, an auto and single action revolver. Blazer seems just as accurate for my use, which is off-hand shooting anywhere from 10 to 50 yards. I'm pretty sure the ammo doesn't really matter in that situation between those 2 choices.
 
I’ve heard, not confirmed, that Blazers are the seconds of the SV. The SV CCI’s are far more consistent. That being said, I doubt that in a revolver that there’s any difference at all. A rifle at distance, yes, but not something with a short barrel and sight radius.
 
I haven’t bench tested either one from a pistol but I’d bet the SV is more accurate. I know the CCI Pistol Match is the same velocity on the box as the SV (1070 fps). The Pistol Match is more accurate than I am even from a rest. Out of a 20 round group, 12 went through the same hole and the other 8 were inside 1.25” from 25 yards. I feel like I pulled those.
 
I haven’t bench tested either one from a pistol but I’d bet the SV is more accurate. I know the CCI Pistol Match is the same velocity on the box as the SV (1070 fps). The Pistol Match is more accurate than I am even from a rest. Out of a 20 round group, 12 went through the same hole and the other 8 were inside 1.25” from 25 yards. I feel like I pulled those.
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I’ve heard, not confirmed, that Blazers are the seconds of the SV. The SV CCI’s are far more consistent. That being said, I doubt that in a revolver that there’s any difference at all. A rifle at distance, yes, but not something with a short barrel and sight radius.
Thank you so much
 
I've gotten surprisingly good accuracy with the CCI coated ammo in some of my rifles and pistols. Not all my guns like it though. In my experience, accuracy will either be outstanding or mediocre. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
 
I’ve heard, not confirmed, that Blazers are the seconds of the SV. The SV CCI’s are far more consistent. That being said, I doubt that in a revolver that there’s any difference at all. A rifle at distance, yes, but not something with a short barrel and sight radius.

Blazers are high velocity, rated at 1235 fps which is the same as the 40gr mini mags. SV is rated at 1070 fps.

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/blazer/blazer_rimfire/4-21.html

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/target_mini-mag/6-30.html
 
Hello,
Currently I shoot standard CCI 22lr and just tried out CCI Blazer 22lr. Question: what to prefer in pistol shooting and revolver shooting?
Do you have any experiences to share on the subject?
The CCI Blazers are my preferred “bulk” .22 ammo. Since they are high velocity, they tend to run more reliably in semi automatic pistols and rifles. A lot of the standard velocity target ammo lacks the necessary energy to operate the actions of the semiautomatic firearms. In revolvers, bolt actions or single shots, you can run anything and the standard velocity ammo might achieve better accuracy. The only way to know for sure is to test them in YOUR firearms, then decide if the best accuracy and reliability is worth the price of that ammo. You will also find out which ammo is unacceptable at any price.
 
The only difference I've ever seen between Blazer and minimags is the Blazers are lead nose and mini mags are copper washed. Shot side by side I see no difference.
But most Blazer I come across is $50/500 which is no different than what I can get mini mags for, so I'll take copper wash and the plastic boxes if there's no price difference.
I've had so many bad experiences with different bulk packs I'll usually just stick to CCI std. velocity or mini mags as that stuff runs in everything I own. There's still a handful of brands I'll grab if it's cheap enough but only if if it's cheap enough.
 
CCI SV is probably my go to for an accuracy load, I seldom see anything shoot better from my .22's than it at a price I say is worth stocking up on, but for a general use ammo, I saw someone mention Blazer and that's a decent, common, quality ammo that is loaded hotter than standard velocity and I don't recall having too many issues with it cycling and feeding in autoloaders.
 
I run Blazer as my cheap ammo, SK as my better.
Tried other stuff (including CCI Std V and Minimag).
Minimags did better than Std V for my rifles.
And Blazer did as good or better.
 
I've gotten surprisingly good accuracy with the CCI coated ammo in some of my rifles and pistols. Not all my guns like it though. In my experience, accuracy will either be outstanding or mediocre. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
Blazers are high velocity, rated at 1235 fps which is the same as the 40gr mini mags. SV is rated at 1070 fps.

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/blazer/blazer_rimfire/4-21.html

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/target_mini-mag/6-30.html
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See, that’s why a person can’t believe everything they hear. Great point!
thanks you very much
The CCI Blazers are my preferred “bulk” .22 ammo. Since they are high velocity, they tend to run more reliably in semi automatic pistols and rifles. A lot of the standard velocity target ammo lacks the necessary energy to operate the actions of the semiautomatic firearms. In revolvers, bolt actions or single shots, you can run anything and the standard velocity ammo might achieve better accuracy. The only way to know for sure is to test them in YOUR firearms, then decide if the best accuracy and reliability is worth the price of that ammo. You will also find out which ammo is unacceptable at any price.
Many thanks
Blazers are high velocity, rated at 1235 fps which is the same as the 40gr mini mags. SV is rated at 1070 fps.

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/blazer/blazer_rimfire/4-21.html

https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/target_mini-mag/6-30.html
Thank you
I've gotten surprisingly good accuracy with the CCI coated ammo in some of my rifles and pistols. Not all my guns like it though. In my experience, accuracy will either be outstanding or mediocre. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
I've gotten surprisingly good accuracy with the CCI coated ammo in some of my rifles and pistols. Not all my guns like it though. In my experience, accuracy will either be outstanding or mediocre. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
The only difference I've ever seen between Blazer and minimags is the Blazers are lead nose and mini mags are copper washed. Shot side by side I see no difference.
But most Blazer I come across is $50/500 which is no different than what I can get mini mags for, so I'll take copper wash and the plastic boxes if there's no price difference.
I've had so many bad experiences with different bulk packs I'll usually just stick to CCI std. velocity or mini mags as that stuff runs in everything I own. There's still a handful of brands I'll grab if it's cheap enough but only if if it's cheap enough.
Thank you
 
Blazer I come across is $50/500
Actually there are 3 versions of CCI Blazer now boxed and loose bulk along with 38/40 gr weights - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-shipped-pricing.902560/page-12#post-12647254
I found boxed versions of same brand/weight ammunition to produce smaller groups over loose bulk versions.

standard CCI 22lr and just tried out CCI Blazer 22lr.

Question: what to prefer in pistol shooting and revolver shooting? Do you have any experiences to share on the subject?
During my 40,000+ round comparison testing, particularly the past 10,000+ round testing with 25+ brands/weights/lots of 22LR in new 10/22 and T/CR22 while capturing every 5/10 shot groups at 50/100 yards, CCI SV 40 gr LRN consistently produced smallest 1/2"-3/4" groups while Blazer 40 gr LRN produced next smallest groups followed by Aguila 40 gr LRN then CPRN - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...izing-22lr-on-the-cheap.898035/#post-12145890

50 yard 10/22 groups with factory barrel at 3000 round count (Factory trigger "broken in" from 7.5 lbs new to 4.5 lbs), factory bolt, free floated barrel and taped rear receiver. Two 10 shot CCI SV 40 gr LRN groups on the left compared to Blazer 40 gr LRN - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lector-3-break-in.859106/page-3#post-12110978

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50 yard 10/22 groups with factory barrel at 4100 round count, new Volquartsen trigger at 2.75 lbs, free floated barrel, rear of receiver taped and factory bolt

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More recent lot comparison 50 yard 10/22 with factory barrel at 6250 round count, Volquartsen trigger at 2.25 lbs (Trigger round count 2250), free floated barrel, rear of receiver taped, Tactical Solutions V block, CPC reworked pinned factory bolt (Squares are 1") - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...22lr-on-the-cheap.898035/page-2#post-12304052

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Above Aguila 38/40 gr groups loose bulk on bottom row except for bottom right boxed group shot for reverification of scope zero and accuracy.

Below Aguila 40 gr LRN/CPRN groups all boxed.

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Composite list of 22LR ammunition from most accurate to least accurate based on 10/22 and T/CR22 testing (Posted group sizes are 50 yard smaller averages after accurizing mods/work/parts replacement) with 10+ additional brand/weights/lots of ammunition planned for comparison year after - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...cheap-bulk-22lr-ammunition-comparison.908102/
  1. CCI Standard Velocity 40 gr LRN (New) - Boxed (Around 1/2")
  2. CCI Standard Velocity 40 gr LRN (Old) - Boxed - Consistent group size (Around 1/2" - 3/4")
  3. CCI Blazer 40 gr LRN - Boxed - Consistent group size (Around 1/2" - 3/4")
  4. Norma Tac-22 40 gr LRN - Boxed - Based on initial testing 1/2"-3/4" groups (Testing to continue)
  5. Aguila 40 gr LRN (Eley Prime) - Boxed - Consistent group size (No longer produced)
  6. Aguila 40 gr LRN (Aguila Prime, New) - Boxed - Consistent group size (Larger than 1/2" to 3/4")
  7. Aguila 40 gr LRN (Aguila Prime, Old) - Boxed - Consistent group size (Larger than 1/2" to 3/4")
  8. Aguila 40 gr CPRN (Eley Prime) - Boxed - Consistent group size (No longer produced)
  9. Aguila 40 gr CPRN (Aguila Prime) - Boxed - Consistent group size (3/4"-1")
  10. Aguila 40 gr LRN Pistol Match - Boxed, Consistent group size around (3/4"-1")
  11. Aguila 40 gr CPRN - 250 round Loose Bulk - Based on initial testing sub 1" to 1.25"
  12. Aguila 38 gr CPRN - 250 round Loose Bulk - Based on initial testing around 1"
  13. Federal Auto Match 40 gr LRN - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  14. Aguila 38 gr CPHP - Boxes - Group size varied
  15. Federal Game Shok 40 gr CPRN - Boxed - Fairly consistent group size
  16. Federal Field Pack 38 gr CPHP - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  17. Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr CPHP - Loose Bulk - Fairly consistent group size
  18. Remington Thunderbolt 40 gr LRN - Loose Bulk - Small to large groups with flyers
  19. Armscor 36 gr CPHP - Boxed - Varying group size with flyers
  20. Federal Champion 40 gr LRN - Boxed - Group size varied
  21. Federal Value 36 gr CPHP 525 Blue Box (Old) - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  22. Federal Value 36 gr CPHP 525 Blue Box (New) - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  23. Federal Value 36 gr CPHP 550 Walmart Red Box (Old) - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  24. Federal Value 36 gr CPHP 550 Walmart Red Box (New) - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  25. Winchester XPert 36 gr LRN 500 - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  26. Winchester 36 gr CPHP 555 - Loose Bulk - Group size varied
  27. Winchester M22 40 gr CPRN 500 - Loose Bulk - Group size varied with flyers
 
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What was your cleaning interval and number of foulers on that test?
NRL22 guys told me one has to shoot a few to season a bore for a particular type of ammo.
 
I buy both by the 5k case, usually two cases at a time. About 10 years ago, Federal was my go to.

Plinking duty is split between CCI Blazer mostly in pistols and CCI Standard velocity target mostly in rifles.

CCI Standard for distance and accuracy, example clay pigeons at 100 yards off hand or 3-position bullseye competition at 50 feet indoor. CCI Blazer for hunting and pistol bowling pin competition (cut off tops) for the extra energy.

In my experience, either could serve any role as I’ve not had cycling issues. Blazer being not as accurate is only revealed from the bench with a good rifle or pistol.
Have shot a lot of the CCI Blazer, they are the cleanest .22LR I have ever come up against. After shooting a few hundred the gun is cleaner than when you started. (Sig P322)
 
NRL22 guys told me one has to shoot a few to season a bore for a particular type of ammo.
Like many match 22LR, Norma Tac-22 comes lubed (Wet lube, not hard dry lube) and many reported "seasoning" the barrel reduces group size.

For this range session, four 5 shot groups of Aguila 40 gr CPRN were shot to zero the scope followed by two 10 shot groups to verify zero (Green circles indicate POA). Then two 5 shot groups of CCI SV were shot to set baseline reference (slower velocity showed bullet drop of POI) before shooting Norma Tac-22 groups.

As you can see, after five 5 shot groups to "season" the barrel, nice tight group formed on bottom right. (Since I shot many other brands of "non-lubed" ammunition for this range test, I bought more Tac-22 to repeat the range test to show sufficient "seasoning" of the barrel vs reduction of group size without "contamination" of other brand ammunition)

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10,000+ round testing ... in new 10/22 and T/CR22 while capturing every 5/10 shot groups at 50/100 yards
What was your cleaning interval and number of foulers on that test?
Both 10/22 and T/CR22 factory barrels (Along with KSA bull barrel) WERE NOT bore brushed/cleaned with Hoppes #9 after each range session. Instead, they were DRY PATCHED using only Kleenex Viva "Cloth" paper towel always pushing from chamber to muzzle (T/CR22 has hole in the back of receiver for cleaning rod and I also used cable pull cleaning system).

Barrels were cleaned every 2000 rounds with 3 passes of copper bore brush dipped in Hoppes #9 solvent and none of the barrels showed signs of leading.

Each range session was started by shooting Aguila 40 gr CPRN groups to warm the barrel, verify scope zero and capture reference group size which ran around 3/4"-1" at 50 yards. Often, targets captured Aguila 40 gr CPRN at start and end of shooting that target as if different brand/weight/lot of ammunition produced particularly larger groups, producing same size Aguila 40 gr CPRN group at the end proved it was ammunition and not rifle/scope/mount/shooter. Typically, 8 to 12 groups were captured on each copy paper target.

If particular ammunition really shot poorly, I would shoot Aguila 40 gr CPRN groups intermingled throughout the target to rule out non-ammunition related factors such as scope mount coming loose, etc. (As Aguila produced typical 3/4"-1" groups regardless of cold/hot barrel)

Here's a sample target showing Aguila 40 gr CPRN group at start (Top left of target) and at the end (Bottom right) ... Aguila 40 gr group at bottom left is "loose bulk" instead of "boxed" rounds I used for reference.

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Below is T/CR22 target for comparison using factory barrel with 2000 round count, new Volquartsen trigger but with factory 4 lb return spring, free floated barrel (Removal of Magpul stock forearm insert free floats stock barrel, even KSA bull barrel) and rear of receiver taped (This target should confirm how much 10/22 factory barrel is ammunition selective as same ammunition that produced larger groups shrank when shot in T/CR22 compared to 10/22 targets on post #21).

After getting decent groups on top row with CCI SV, Federal Auto Match, Federal Champion, Federal Game Shok (All 40 gr), when old box of Federal 36 gr (Blue 525 round Value pack) produced significantly larger groups compared to new box of Federal 36 gr (Red 550 round Value pack from Walmart), I shot another Blue Value pack group and size was consistent with previous. So I shot a group of Aguila 40 gr to verify that it was ammunition and as anticipated, around 1" group confirmed it was indeed ammunition that increased group size to 2".

This is just one example of 40 gr bullet producing smaller groups than 36 gr bullets likely from longer bullet base/bearing surface to engage the rifling. (I also found 40 gr Lead RN to produce slightly smaller groups than 40 gr Copper Plated RN)

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Since there was some discussion on dirty vs clean barrel group size comparison, I did myth busting on dirty vs clean barrel and it appeared dirty barrels produced smaller groups and after barrel cleaning, took several hundred rounds to restore accuracy back to pre-cleaning state - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...k-dirty-vs-clean-22lr-barrel-accuracy.897763/

BTW, this was 10/22 bore after second cleaning at 4200 round count and rifling looked pristine

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