bogie
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Oh, for Bob's sake, why?
CCW AK-Pistol (7.62x39)
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aaronrkelly
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I actually use mine fairly often.
My CCW permit specifically says HANDGUN ONLY on it. This keeps me from keeping a rifle handy in my vehicle. In my state ammunition loaded in the magazine constitutes LOADED. The only way I can carry an AK is to have the magazine out of the weapon, magazine empty and ammunition loose. That sucks.
So when Im traveling I will toss my AK pistol in between the seats in the minivan. Its a pistol so Im good to go. Works great for my purposes.....would never consider it for much else.
My CCW permit specifically says HANDGUN ONLY on it. This keeps me from keeping a rifle handy in my vehicle. In my state ammunition loaded in the magazine constitutes LOADED. The only way I can carry an AK is to have the magazine out of the weapon, magazine empty and ammunition loose. That sucks.
So when Im traveling I will toss my AK pistol in between the seats in the minivan. Its a pistol so Im good to go. Works great for my purposes.....would never consider it for much else.
camp_gunner
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I tend to towards the more sensible.
This is probably a bit too much for a CCW. If you like rifle calibers try the Automag III in 30 carbine. It can actually be carried in a pocket, and draws reasonably well.
Here's a link:
http://www.highstandard.com/amt_automag.html
This is for the new one from High Standard, there are a few of the original AMTs still floating around, saw one at the last Tulsa show.
This is probably a bit too much for a CCW. If you like rifle calibers try the Automag III in 30 carbine. It can actually be carried in a pocket, and draws reasonably well.
Here's a link:
http://www.highstandard.com/amt_automag.html
This is for the new one from High Standard, there are a few of the original AMTs still floating around, saw one at the last Tulsa show.
Blackbeard
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Pros: Fecalation factor when you pull it out.
Cons: Unless you're that 1000-lb. guy who wears a bedsheet, you're going to have a hard time concealing it.
Cons: Unless you're that 1000-lb. guy who wears a bedsheet, you're going to have a hard time concealing it.
mljdeckard
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I agree with bob. Good luck convincing the DA and jury that you weren't looking for a fight after the fact.
A lot of people here are quick to rush to judgement about what is and is not good for all situations and everyone.
The handgun that is big or bulky is likely to be left behind more, which that long thing with a magazine sticking out of it at nearly a right angle is clearly not suitable for the casual comfortable roles of a carried on the person self defense weapon in a city.
In a vehicle it can be just fine.
I also could see it as a decent trail and backpacking firearm. Most of the time it would swing on a sling concealed and unconcealed. However if you heard or approached others you could roughly conceal it and never startle anyone.
It would be smaller dimensions and less weight than most long guns, yet still be suitable for most 4 legged and 2 legged predators.
So no I wouldn't use it for carry in the city, but the laws of a state apply in a lot more places than just in town.
What might be suitable for someone mixing and mingling on city streets can be very different than what is good in a vehicle subject to the same limiting laws, or in another portion of the state hiking down a public trail in a remote wilderness area known for mountain lions, meth production, and criminals growing and guarding marijuana crops who can attack you at random before you realize you stumbled into the wrong place.
A person is still limited in such situations to what they can carry concealed legaly to get there along the length of thier trip, so often a long gun is unsuitable, yet the power of a long gun is desired. With some parts of a route more public, some going through national or state parks for at least some of the route, and various other reasons why something that complies with concealed carry laws, but is also more formidable than most pistols.
I like to think of it for example similar to a street legal dirt bike. Sure it might not be suitable to drive around town with on daily basis, and if you started a poll asking who would consider it good general transportation, you would get many of the same "no, dont do it" responses as seen here.
Yet in many offroad places like the mountains or deserts it is people with such a vehicle that can legaly get to a lot more trails than a person with a vehicle that is not legal to drive on the road for brief periods, and need a secondary vehicle to legaly transport the offroad vehicle from point A to point B.
By having a vehicle less ideal for a single role, but capable of multiple roles they actualy get to do more freely and go more places less hindered by the law.
This gun is such a gun. One that can comply with concealed carry law for brief periods, but is not primarily suited for that role. It is not as good as a long arm for long arm roles. It is not as good as a pistol for concealed carry roles. Yet it can be suitable for some dual purpose roles where it still needs to comply with concealed carry laws for at least portions of a trip or outing.
You don't have a sometimes answer on your poll so I won't vote. It is not a great idea in most daily roles. So the first choice is bad.
I am sure where it is a good choice, so the second choice is bad.
And I do think so on occasion for limited roles, so the third choice is bad.
The handgun that is big or bulky is likely to be left behind more, which that long thing with a magazine sticking out of it at nearly a right angle is clearly not suitable for the casual comfortable roles of a carried on the person self defense weapon in a city.
In a vehicle it can be just fine.
I also could see it as a decent trail and backpacking firearm. Most of the time it would swing on a sling concealed and unconcealed. However if you heard or approached others you could roughly conceal it and never startle anyone.
It would be smaller dimensions and less weight than most long guns, yet still be suitable for most 4 legged and 2 legged predators.
So no I wouldn't use it for carry in the city, but the laws of a state apply in a lot more places than just in town.
What might be suitable for someone mixing and mingling on city streets can be very different than what is good in a vehicle subject to the same limiting laws, or in another portion of the state hiking down a public trail in a remote wilderness area known for mountain lions, meth production, and criminals growing and guarding marijuana crops who can attack you at random before you realize you stumbled into the wrong place.
A person is still limited in such situations to what they can carry concealed legaly to get there along the length of thier trip, so often a long gun is unsuitable, yet the power of a long gun is desired. With some parts of a route more public, some going through national or state parks for at least some of the route, and various other reasons why something that complies with concealed carry laws, but is also more formidable than most pistols.
I like to think of it for example similar to a street legal dirt bike. Sure it might not be suitable to drive around town with on daily basis, and if you started a poll asking who would consider it good general transportation, you would get many of the same "no, dont do it" responses as seen here.
Yet in many offroad places like the mountains or deserts it is people with such a vehicle that can legaly get to a lot more trails than a person with a vehicle that is not legal to drive on the road for brief periods, and need a secondary vehicle to legaly transport the offroad vehicle from point A to point B.
By having a vehicle less ideal for a single role, but capable of multiple roles they actualy get to do more freely and go more places less hindered by the law.
This gun is such a gun. One that can comply with concealed carry law for brief periods, but is not primarily suited for that role. It is not as good as a long arm for long arm roles. It is not as good as a pistol for concealed carry roles. Yet it can be suitable for some dual purpose roles where it still needs to comply with concealed carry laws for at least portions of a trip or outing.
You don't have a sometimes answer on your poll so I won't vote. It is not a great idea in most daily roles. So the first choice is bad.
I am sure where it is a good choice, so the second choice is bad.
And I do think so on occasion for limited roles, so the third choice is bad.
MT GUNNY
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I think the only time this would be nessesary is in a state of emergency like: National disaster (Huricane Tidlewave) anytime LEOs would be of no help!!
Well the law does not magicly change when you need it to in an emergency.
What is legal now is what will be legal then when you have no LEO help most places, but run into national guard and police checkpoints that will hold you strictly to the law on occasion (or will confiscate your arms if they see them like during katrina.)
I can assure you that out in the wilderness state law still applies many places, especialy if you are not hunting. If you stumble on some meth location or marijuana patch like many of us who do much hiking in the pacific mountain ranges have, then I can assure you no LEO are going to be around anytime soon. Even if automatic weapons fire is being discharged at you. You are on your own against the individuals that may not wish to let you get away to report thier location.
MT GUNNY
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my post has nothing to do with the law , Im simply ansewring the origanal poster.
Timradcliffe345
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How easy would it be to drill and tap the receiver for a folder? I KNOW that installing one would require a $200 tax stamp prior to modification.
woodybrighton
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that makes sense I guess wilderness use
mgregg85
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Well, I guess it would be excellent for self defense but it would seem to be hard to aim without a laser of some sort.
I'd say impossible to conceal unless your a big fan of heavy coats year round.
And good luck defending yourself if court if you ever had to use it.
I guess I would ask why you wanted to carry an AK pistol instead of the many other excellent choices?
If I was that worried about going somewhere where I might need to carry an AK pistol, I wouldn't go there.
I'd say impossible to conceal unless your a big fan of heavy coats year round.
And good luck defending yourself if court if you ever had to use it.
I guess I would ask why you wanted to carry an AK pistol instead of the many other excellent choices?
If I was that worried about going somewhere where I might need to carry an AK pistol, I wouldn't go there.
Funderb
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It would be more suited to open carry.
Just get a side hanging sling. If OC is legal where you are, of course.
Just get a side hanging sling. If OC is legal where you are, of course.
Timradcliffe345
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Do I need a tax stamp to install a FrontVerticalGrip or is that just a NO-NO?
I'm afraid I'd draw too much attention to myself OC'ing.
I'm afraid I'd draw too much attention to myself OC'ing.
WoofersInc
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Vertical foregrip on a pistol is a no go unless you get the tax stamp. Once you have that no problem, depending on the NFA laws in your particular state of course.
George Hill
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You are joking, right?
azhunter12
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I voted for #3 for somewhat obvious reasons.
tinygnat219
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You'd be drowned in legal bills from having to prove in court that you weren't looking for trouble with a handgun like this.
It's also one thing to carry a pistol with a 17 round 9MM magazine, it's quite another to carry an AK-47 pistol with a 30 round banana clip full of rifle ammunition.
Not just dumb, but begging for arrest and bankruptcy.
It's also one thing to carry a pistol with a 17 round 9MM magazine, it's quite another to carry an AK-47 pistol with a 30 round banana clip full of rifle ammunition.
Not just dumb, but begging for arrest and bankruptcy.
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I think it would carry quite nicely if you wear a backpack every where.
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And people gripe about carrying a full-size 1911.....
Here's the deal. The purpose of a handgun is convenience. We don't carry handguns because they're more accurate, more powerful, easier to aim, or have a higher capacity than a long gun. Handguns are generally deficient in all of these areas. We carry handguns because they're small and portable.
What this has done is remove the only upside of a handgun in an effort to remove two of the cons (capacity and power.)
Aiming is still difficult because you still can't use your shoulder to steady it, and now power has swung in the other direction and will not only kill the guy you're shooting at, but will almost definitely endanger anyone behind him for a mile. Bear in mind, in a defensive situation you don't get to pick the arena. Could be near a park, school, subway, etc. and it's YOUR responsibility to make sure that you don't cause more harm than you prevent. Criminals can harm indiscriminately, we can't.
Ignoring the jury argument for a moment, although it is valid, the weapon itself is awkward and NOT suited to defense. It would serve better as an offensive weapon, when you are attempting to gain the upper hand on someone else.
You want the real deal? If you and I were standing 15 ft apart, and I had my 1911 in a holster and you had your AK pistol slung, you're the dead man.
By the time you've gotten that monstrosity up and swept off the most unergonomic safety on planet Earth, I've already run my gun dry and am changing mags.
It's big, it's loud, it's a whole hell of a lot of fun, but you'd get yourself killed trying to use it.
Here's the deal. The purpose of a handgun is convenience. We don't carry handguns because they're more accurate, more powerful, easier to aim, or have a higher capacity than a long gun. Handguns are generally deficient in all of these areas. We carry handguns because they're small and portable.
What this has done is remove the only upside of a handgun in an effort to remove two of the cons (capacity and power.)
Aiming is still difficult because you still can't use your shoulder to steady it, and now power has swung in the other direction and will not only kill the guy you're shooting at, but will almost definitely endanger anyone behind him for a mile. Bear in mind, in a defensive situation you don't get to pick the arena. Could be near a park, school, subway, etc. and it's YOUR responsibility to make sure that you don't cause more harm than you prevent. Criminals can harm indiscriminately, we can't.
Ignoring the jury argument for a moment, although it is valid, the weapon itself is awkward and NOT suited to defense. It would serve better as an offensive weapon, when you are attempting to gain the upper hand on someone else.
You want the real deal? If you and I were standing 15 ft apart, and I had my 1911 in a holster and you had your AK pistol slung, you're the dead man.
By the time you've gotten that monstrosity up and swept off the most unergonomic safety on planet Earth, I've already run my gun dry and am changing mags.
It's big, it's loud, it's a whole hell of a lot of fun, but you'd get yourself killed trying to use it.
M2 Carbine
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The drum mag does make it a little hard to conceal.
lvcat2004
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As many said, it's doable, but I can't think of a good reason. If you are in a firefighting situation, you'd probably be outgunned by someone who has a conventional weapon with good training. Not to say anything bad about 7.62x39mm (I have an AK too), but the ergonomics, difficulty of drawing/aiming in a close quarter situation that usually involves CCW makes this disadvantageous.
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