exavid
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It's kinda funny in an unfunny way but the Post Office's problem with shootings came from it's own employees going 'postal' as it were. UPS and Fedex don't seem to have that problem.
CCW D'OH! moments
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Shadow 7D
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i rather like (kinda) Alaska's law, in a resturant (not a bar) you can carry as long as you don't drink
that said, yeah a couple times I've forgotten, but (and this is no excuse) I carry a pocket pistol most times
But other times I have carried past a gun buster, but then, after a rather long talk with the president of the SCCC, I also had a lawyers card in my pocket, as technically that sign is preempted by state law...
that said, yeah a couple times I've forgotten, but (and this is no excuse) I carry a pocket pistol most times
But other times I have carried past a gun buster, but then, after a rather long talk with the president of the SCCC, I also had a lawyers card in my pocket, as technically that sign is preempted by state law...
Bonesinium
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The only 2 states I carry don't have any silly "can't carry if they serve alcohol" laws. If you want to go to the bar and get wasted while carrying (openly or concealed), there isn't anything illegal about it, though there isn't much smart about it either...
I have twice accidentally carried in states where it was illegal.
First instance: I'm at my parents house several years ago in northwest Indiana. It's mothers day. Our family plus 3 members of another family pile into a Ford Excursion to ride to dinner together. I have never been to the restaurant in question before. As we pull up I comment on the number of Illinois license plates I see and am told that, well, we actually just crossed over into Illinois a couple lights back. Oh really...why didn't anybody tell me that we were crossing the state line? (we almost never did that)
Second instance: My wife and I were caravanning from Illinois to Michigan. I holstered up when we hit Indiana. We were following her father and the rest of the family in his vehicle. We had done this before with no incident. Well, he went a different direction this time and when I look up I see "Welcome to Ohio". Unfortunately they did not recognize my IN nor my NH license at that time.
I once walked into a post office and the metal detector at the door went off. I am sure that's what it was. I walked through it unarmed multiple times without incident, the time I left my gun on to drop something in the APC it went off. I went outside immediately, put it in my car, went back in and it didn't go off. Weird. The other post offices detectors don't go off (RFID only I guess)
You should look up the discussion sometime about the phrase "other lawful purpose", I believe it is, that appears in the federal code regarding weapons at postal facilities.
In the real world, crap happens.
First instance: I'm at my parents house several years ago in northwest Indiana. It's mothers day. Our family plus 3 members of another family pile into a Ford Excursion to ride to dinner together. I have never been to the restaurant in question before. As we pull up I comment on the number of Illinois license plates I see and am told that, well, we actually just crossed over into Illinois a couple lights back. Oh really...why didn't anybody tell me that we were crossing the state line? (we almost never did that)
Second instance: My wife and I were caravanning from Illinois to Michigan. I holstered up when we hit Indiana. We were following her father and the rest of the family in his vehicle. We had done this before with no incident. Well, he went a different direction this time and when I look up I see "Welcome to Ohio". Unfortunately they did not recognize my IN nor my NH license at that time.
I once walked into a post office and the metal detector at the door went off. I am sure that's what it was. I walked through it unarmed multiple times without incident, the time I left my gun on to drop something in the APC it went off. I went outside immediately, put it in my car, went back in and it didn't go off. Weird. The other post offices detectors don't go off (RFID only I guess)
You should look up the discussion sometime about the phrase "other lawful purpose", I believe it is, that appears in the federal code regarding weapons at postal facilities.
In the real world, crap happens.
exavid
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Oregon's a bit different. You can carry in a bar or alcohol serving restaurant. If the business posts a sign on the door prohibiting firearms you can be charged with trespass if you are told to leave and you don't. That's assuming that anyone notices you are carrying.
I started carrying when I lived in Indiana. Restaurants that served alcohol were legal. Bars were legal. Minimum carry age was 18. Shall issue. No training required. Cheap permits (like $35 total). Lots of people licensed (about #3 stated ranked by % of population). College campuses were legal. Sporting events were legal. Church carry was legal. Almost everything was legal. Still is. No problems.
So you can imagine where I stand on all the silliness regarding places being off limits.
So you can imagine where I stand on all the silliness regarding places being off limits.
I'm pretty sure that Utah has some of the least amount of gun regs and I'm 100% sure that Utah permits are accepted by more states than any other. I took a class with people who were from other states because the Utah permit was widely accepted. Maybe it is because we are required to take a class on concealed weapons. Here in Utah, We can carry at schools, bars, etc. Even if a business puts up a sign, it isn't illegal; unless you refuse to leave if asked.
hermannr
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WA posts "bars" (make of 60% of their business income by serving alcohol,,,I think that is the %, could be more.). Anyway, it is a seperate license and such places are restricted to 21 years old and over, and must be posted 21 and over only. No carry into such establishments. Normally, you go to a "bar" to drink, not eat, though you may also eat in them.
Restaurants that serve alcohol usually have a seperate posted "bar" area, but they can still also serve in the main restaurant.
You may carry and drink in the "resaurant" (not posted 21 and over), but you cannot carry into the posted "bar" area. It is part of their liquor license.
In Montana you can OC into a bar or resaurant that serves alcohol, and drink, but you cannot Conceal Carry. How about that for a different one?
Restaurants that serve alcohol usually have a seperate posted "bar" area, but they can still also serve in the main restaurant.
You may carry and drink in the "resaurant" (not posted 21 and over), but you cannot carry into the posted "bar" area. It is part of their liquor license.
In Montana you can OC into a bar or resaurant that serves alcohol, and drink, but you cannot Conceal Carry. How about that for a different one?
Bravo Sierra
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My family with the in-laws were just getting seated at a restaurant when the previous person came up visibly shaken, asking if there was a jacket they had left in the corner of the booth. It was right next to me. The jacket was dark and blended in with the color of the upholstery so nobody noticed earlier.
I picked up the jacket and a holstered pistol fell out onto my lap. The handgun was small and was completely covered in leather, so to the uninitiated it wasn't readily apparent that it was a gun. I knew what it was instantly, and I looked the guy in the eye and held out the holstered gun and made him pull it out of my grasp. He might have been drinking, I don't know.
He knew from my look that he'd been busted. I didn't have to say anything and I know he felt like an idiot.
I picked up the jacket and a holstered pistol fell out onto my lap. The handgun was small and was completely covered in leather, so to the uninitiated it wasn't readily apparent that it was a gun. I knew what it was instantly, and I looked the guy in the eye and held out the holstered gun and made him pull it out of my grasp. He might have been drinking, I don't know.
He knew from my look that he'd been busted. I didn't have to say anything and I know he felt like an idiot.
SARDiver
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I think you're actually incorrect. Florida has the most reciprocity agreements, and Arizona appears to have the same number as Utah.
evan price
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We just got restaurant carry in Ohio. (yay us)
I've got you one better- it is entirely possible that a young fella on a cross-continental trip didn't think twice about keeping his gun with him in Mexico and Canada in 1995.
Major whoops I'm sure, more so nowadays.
I've got you one better- it is entirely possible that a young fella on a cross-continental trip didn't think twice about keeping his gun with him in Mexico and Canada in 1995.
Major whoops I'm sure, more so nowadays.
exavid
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Florida's non-resident CCW license is easy to get if you're a vet. You can do it all by mail and if you have a DD214 you send that in as proof of weapons training. I got one because Oregon has no receprocity to speak of so combined with the non-res FL CCW I've got 36 or so states covered.
Archaic
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I was meeting my wife and kids for dinner after work, I showed up a tad late and saw that she had already ordered me a beer. In TX I can be in the restaurant, but obviously cannot drink while carrying, so - back out to the truck to disarm and unload. The beer was nice and cold though.
SSN Vet
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Thinking again...
I'm quoting Sgt. Schultz...
I know nothing.....nothing.
I'm quoting Sgt. Schultz...
I know nothing.....nothing.
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If I had actually pressed "Submit Reply" a moment ago THAT would have been a D'oh moment. No way I'm going to put my mistakes in writing on the interwebs.
I feel your pain - It's VERY hard to follow the letter of all the various laws.
I feel your pain - It's VERY hard to follow the letter of all the various laws.
SARDiver
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I'm unfamiliar with that concept. Would it be Utah not recognizing the other permit?
I went to the site that shows which states recognize a selected state's permit. Looked to me like FL had top spot, with AZ and Utah right behind. (My family lives in AZ, and their permits are recognized in NM, where it appears UT's aren't. The UT training has helped get the AZ permit, though.)
Carter
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Now if you carried in to Congress I would understand not admitting to it...but most things I'm sure you'd be fine talking about.
I was a little =O about the post office one though...haha
This is correct. However, even before the law changed, it only included places serving alcohol which were licensed as "restaurant or club". Other venues, such as stores doing a wine tasting or such, were not covered. Likely different in other states, but it was an important distinction here.
HD, since it sounds like you're not entirely up to date on changes in Virginia, I'd recommend subscribing to the free email updates from VCDL to help keep you safe from any surprises.
chrisnoel27
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In Oregon you can CC in the post offices, schools and places that serve alcohol. Just wish the damn state would cooperate with WA, vice versa.
SARDiver
I just looked it up online: you are right. Arizona is excepted the most with 36 states. Florida next with 35. Utah third with 34. Maybe it has changed since I got my CCW because the instructor told us it was Utah. Oh well. On another note, 58% of Utah ccw permits are issued to non-residents; something I found interesting.
I just looked it up online: you are right. Arizona is excepted the most with 36 states. Florida next with 35. Utah third with 34. Maybe it has changed since I got my CCW because the instructor told us it was Utah. Oh well. On another note, 58% of Utah ccw permits are issued to non-residents; something I found interesting.
3KillerBs
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IMO, the same BAC standards should be applied as are applied to driving.
matrem
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The ultimate carry "D'OH!" hasn't happened to me yet, and I sure hope it never does - As in NOT having it when I need it.
tangomike706
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centurion94
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In 2007, a subject entered a large store in an Omaha shopping mall with a weapon and murdered 8 people before killing himself. One citizen carrying could have stopped him cold, but no one was. See, it's a weapons-free zone. Seems those little gun-in-a-circle thingy's on the door don't always work...
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