CCWing into Somebody's Home.

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I had to fill in for somebody at work today, it was a spur of the moment thing and I had my CCW with me. Normally I would be able to leave my CCW in my truck when I got to the job but I was on my bike (08 CBR1000rr) and didnt think about my CCW till i got to the job. Everything went fine but I started thinking, how would people feel if someone they hired to work in their home, was CCWing.

I honestly dont know if I would feel comfortable with someone I dont know very well carrying in my house. Ive heard a lot of stories of irresponsible people and NDs. I probably wouldnt allow it if my family was home. If I was there alone then I wouldnt care as much.
 
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I honestly dont know if I would feel comfortable with someone I dont know very well carrying in my house. Ive heard a lot of stories of irresponsible people and NDs. I probably wouldnt allow it if my family was home. If I was there alone then I wouldnt care as much.
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You feel you're responsible enough to carry concealed, but don't think others are? You want the right to CWC to protect yourself, but don't think others should? Seems to be a double standard. Maybe those that would come to your home would refuse if they knew they couldn't CWC while there. I've heard lot of stories of irresponsible and crazy homeowners out there that lure unsuspecting folks to their home under the pretense of having some work done only to kill and/or rob them......just sayin'.:scrutiny:
 
If you asked me, I'd tell you that I wouldn't want a stranger carrying in my house. If I saw a plumber/electrician /HVAC guy printing a sidearm in my house, I don't know that I'd really care. That being said, I don't carry in someone's house unless they're one if the cool friends
 
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We have covered this many, many times before. There will be no bashing of what another person chooses to allow, or not allow in their home. The 2nd Amendment does not extend to private property and as such there will be no bashing of private home owners.

If that that is too hard then the thread will be locked.
 
I work in peoples homes every day. It's something I've thought about quite a bit. It would be VERY bad for business.

It's a tough call. We probably shouldn't carry somewhere (privately owned) it would be disproved of if known. But it's not practical to remove your carry weapon every time you go into someones house. I spend all day going back and forth from my truck to the customers house. I don't lock the cab of the truck either as I go in there off and on to get things I need.

It comes down to why you carry. I don't carry because I'm afraid of what will happen in a friends house or church, for the most part, but what can happen when I'm coming and going from those places.

My official statement is "I don't carry".

I have friends that if I knew they were carrying in my home I would quietly ask them to store it in my safe. I'm a type A person. I want to be in control of what happens in my house. Even if I felt that there is no problem with someone carrying in my home I would still feel the need to quietly tell them to please keep it holstered. I like guns and hang out with some people that like guns. I don't want show and tell happening with CCW's in my house.

This is in no way a double standard. This is MY home and what I say goes. Because I carry it creates an environment where it's cool to carry in Luke's house. If it's cool then the rules are lacks. I don't like where that goes...
 
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I don't tell them. I figure a gun is like my underwear...If they can't see it they won't have any reason to be bothered by it.
 
Well, since I wasn't part of any of those previous discussions, and since new members don't seem to do a lot of searching older threads and might find this pertinent, I will add the following:

In South Carolina, asking permission to CC inside someone's home is part of the law that governs concealed carry so unless you want to violate the law, you must ask permission. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor and punishable by $1,000 fine or 1 year in jail. I choose to ask first.
 
Private property rights are no less important than second amendment rights. I'm not going to justify a personal choice that intrudes upon another free man's territory by creating the idea that the other person's rights are secondary to my own when I am his or her guest. If he bans dirty words in his home or requires you wear birkenstocks on his property, that is his call and you can simply not associate with them. The Constitution prevents the government from trampling or violating inalienable rights. It doesn't say I have to allow you those rights on my piece of dirt anymore then we are forced to accomodate anyone on our property carrying giant posterboard signs of genitals in the name of free speech. I'd tell them to get off my property.
 
I see my 2nd amendment rights and my rights to defend myself as rights I get to take with me when I leave my house. When in my house, it is my world. When out in the world I get to claim a 3' wide area around me, in a way. These rights are protected by law.

It's a tough call to make when exerting your rights in someone else's home.

Concealed does mean concealed. But, there is a Golden Rule aspect we need to keep in mind.
 
Do you think an off-duty police officer or federal agent would even think twice before carrying concealed in someone else's domicile, without asking permission?

Why or why not?

Why does that person have a more tacit allowance to carry anywhere than a regular person?


Far as I'm concerned a gun is a tool like a flashlight or screwdriver or pocketknife. I carry those things into peoples' houses all the time without their express permission. If someone has a problem with it, then we can talk about it and I can leave if that is their wish.
 
I think they would have the same questions we have. They do have a little more clout to back their decision. After all many are required or strongly suggested to carry off duty. They have state licensing which carry's more weight, as well as more responsibility than my carry permit. We are hardly the same.
 
Arkansas law requires notifying the homeowner before entering...


"A People that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both"
Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
First OP, remember when you are CCW that you have a gun on you. I find it hard to believe that you forgot, it's a gun, on your hip, on a motorcycle.

Second, no problem with going into a home CCW not telling them a thing. None of their business, and if they try to kill me I'd rather them not know I'm armed.

Lastly, keep it concealed and you don't have an issue.
 
I carry everyplace it is legal and have done so for so long now that questions like this never enter my mind.

No need to ask permission in Michigan.

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Now, I don't carry, being in NYC and all. But if i did I would go with keep it concealed and don't make it an issue.

If you were carrying a condom in your pocket, are you going to ask them if you should leave it outside? Just in case they are one of those religious sex=procreation types and may oppose the idea of condoms. Afterall your right to carry a condom is not even protected by the Constitution as your right to carry a firearm.

If they tell me that I can't bring guns into the house. Either because they know I carry or they just tell that to everyone, then I will respect their wishes. But if they don't specifically forbid it then I see no reason why I should specifically ask them.

So keep it concealed and don't screw around with it so as not to cause any accidents.
 
We are hardly the same.
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You're right. I'd trust a random person far more than a police officer to carry in my home.

Why? Because the random person is only likely to draw his gun on me if I am threatening his life. The cop, on the other hand, is trained to draw his gun on people to force them to comply. Having a badge is no guarantee against evil intentions.
 
I would be more concerned if I found out you had a condom in your pocket than a gun. Why on earth would you think you would need a condom in my house? That's just weird man, and would be really disconcerting. ;)

^^^ putting words in my mouth huh!
 
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You're right. I'd trust a random person far more than a police officer to carry in my home.

Why? Because the random person is only likely to draw his gun on me if I am threatening his life. The cop, on the other hand, is trained to draw his gun on people to force them to comply. Having a badge is no guarantee against evil intentions.
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Your logic seems backwards to me.

Your knowledge of LEO training is not correct. Deadly force must always be justified.

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Your knowledge of LEO training is not correct. Deadly force must always be justified.
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And this is why so many raids (no-knock or otherwise) begin with guns drawn..? Is it assumed that anyone behind the door is already holding a gun, with intent to use it?

I've had police officers draw on me for no reason other than walking down the street with a sidearm on my hip (breaking no laws). Was deadly force justified in those cases? On the other hand, I've never had a private citizen draw on me. So I guess I'm a bit jaded.
 
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