Noticed a drunk CCW'ing- what to do

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One must use one's own judgment in any situation. The OP said:
As I watch him more, I am definitely sure that I see he is CCWing.

So we get seated and I just kinda keep half an eye on him, he was definitely intoxicated and still drinking.
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If I was there and I believed that, I would call the cops.
 
Then start acting like it. A real American would never say what you did! A free person who has harmed no one or their property answers to no one but themselves. A free, self owning, sovereign private citizen never answers to a collective.
 
A real American would never say what you did! A free person who has harmed no one or their property answers to no one but themselves.
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Nonsense! You may as well advocate getting rid of all traffic laws, including red lights, stop signs, residential speed limits, all health laws, including food safety, medical licencing, all zoning laws including construction standards and codes....etc. That's not liberty, its anarchy.

People do answer to me and the representative republic in which I am a willing participant. This country has constitution, whose purpose is stated in the preamble. Its the rule of law. This is why I say I would call the cops. Let them sort it out. Being drunk, with a gun in public is, in my view, disturbing the peace. The police can make their own determination.

If you do not agree with me, it does not make me not a real American. You have the right to say so, but you also have the right to be wrong. :neener:
 
Being drunk, with a gun in public is, in my view, disturbing the peace.
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So if I am drunk and my gun is in my holster, how am I disturbing the peace exactly? I may be drunk and disorderly and may be disturbing the peace with other actions, but carrying a gun while drunk does not equal disturbing the peace.

in my view
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It doesn't really matter what your view is, you are not the law.
 
It doesn't really matter what your view is, you are not the law.
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Exactly! Which is why I would not do anything but call the cops. Most states have laws against public intoxication, (which is akin to disturbing the peace). If the cops determine it to be so, they will charge him. If desired, the person can go to court to contest the charge. A judge or jury will decide the outcome. That is the law, not me. My only action would be to make a statement to the police as to what I observed.

A drunk guy with a gun, I'm making the call to the cops. Tough!
 
A drunk guy with a gun, I'm making the call to the cops.
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"EEEK!...I saw a guy drinking and I think he has a gun!"

"Was he disturbing anyone?"

"Well...no..."

"Did you see the gun?"

"Well...no..."

"Why are you calling?"

"Uhhh..."

"We have a backlog of serious crimes to deal with. Please don't call 911 unless there is a crime in progress!...click!"
 
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A drunk guy with a gun, I'm making the call to the cops.
"EEEK!...I saw a guy drinking and I think he has a gun!"

"Was he disturbing anyone?"

"Well...no..."

"Did you see the gun?"

"Well...no..."

"Why are you calling?"

"Uhhh..."

"We have a backlog of serious crimes to deal with. Please don't call 911 unless there is a crime in progress!...click!"
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Rainbowbob
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More like:

"Good evening, at Joe's Bar, there is an intoxicated person who definitely has a gun"

"OK, thanks. We'll check it out."
 
Im sorry but I had to post here again. I can't believe that because some people want to hold accountable someone for their actions they are automatically liberals and commies. Dude I am from Uzbekistan. That is former part of the Soviet Union if you didn't know. I know what its like to get your car burned in your own drive way cause someone wanted to. My family knows what its like to stand in line for TP and bread. Yea, TP and bread. Do not compare concern at a restaurant to seizure of property and literally changing the monetary value in a country overnight so people's earnings mean nothing anymore. Do not compare something as small as calling the police on someone who might or might not be within his rights of what he is doing, to having to bribe people with cigarettes in order to get an apartment, or papers, or anything of that sort.
I came to this country and got my citizenship and I love this place. Know what I learned? It is my responsibility to question my government, and the people around me who are doing stupid crap. What is the harm in calling the cops? The worst thing they do is check him out, and let him be. Who cares?
What risk are you actually taking by acting on your concern?
Owning a gun might be a right here in the US, but it obviously means do it responsibly. If you can't agree to that, then you are blind.
It is kinda funny cause this liberal/conservative stuff gets to me and makes me laugh every time.
Those who claim to be conservative say less government, meaning the people should police themselves. Yes, it is something that happens a lot here in the south. We all know it and we all do it to stay safe. Got a problem? Don't do stupid stuff!
Those who are "liberal" are people who have my opinion that I should call the cops? Heh, give me a break. You don't even know what liberal and conservative means anymore. You just throw it around whenever it is convenient to try to pull attention away from the fact that some people make a good point. You wanna drink, expose your CCW(even though you don't know it) and expect nothing to happen? Fine. If I see you, I will call the cops. How would you know it was me anyway? /rant
A free America does in fact answer to the collective. Thats why people get embarrassed when they do stupid crap. Open your eyes. People lose jobs for doing stupid things, relationships, money, property, their whole lives! How are you NOT answering to the collective? What is a jury? Are trials anti-American now too? Do you understand what you are saying?
 
A drunk guy with a gun, I'm making the call to the cops.
"EEEK!...I saw a guy drinking and I think he has a gun!"

"Was he disturbing anyone?"

"Well...no..."

"Did you see the gun?"

"Well...no..."

"Why are you calling?"

"Uhhh..."

"We have a backlog of serious crimes to deal with. Please don't call 911 unless there is a crime in progress!...click!"
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This thread is priceless.
I can see that many here have called 911 in the Portland metro area. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. :rolleyes:

Here is how the typical call goes...
Ring,ring,ring.... please hold for the next availible operator....15....minutes.
911 what county?.. please hold.....15 minutes....
911 what is you emergency? Breathless voice.. "There is a guy who I think is armed and I think he is drunk, oh God, oh my he may just start to go into a homicidal rage and KILL everyone" Sir please calm down.." OK but oh my God he is being very loud, I just know that he is going to KILL tonight, oh my God the children, what about the children? Please for the love of God please save them."
Sir is he brandishing the gun? "no."
Is he threatinng to harm someone? "no but he is very loud."
Can you see the gun? "no, but oh my God I just know he has one"

Sir 911 is for emergency's only. Call the Sherriff's office.
"sniff, sniff, OK I'll try to hold out a little longer, should I tail him? Just in case
he explodes into violence and ssttttart's to KILL." Oh God oh dear, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?"


Ya know all this pissin and moaning and it could have been a cell phone for pity's sake. :rolleyes:

So now that youv'e been blown off by 911 what do you do next? Call the Sherrif and lie to to get them to speed right over to the scene of the it may happen crime?

But at least you are secure in the knowledge of having saved everyone that didn't need to be saved anyway.
 
This thread is kind of just going around in circles, but... It's kinda funny how people obsess over guns only in some circumstances, but not others.

How about if a drunk guy were really big. I mean, Andre the Giant big. Let's say you even saw him at the gym a week ago, bench pressing two Volkswagon mini-busses on a barbell.

And he's drunk, boisterous, talking loud, and walking a little funny. You know for an absolute fact that this man could kill everyone in the room with his bare hands, no problem.

"Help! 911! There's a big guy who's drunk!"
"Is he threatening anyone?"
"No! But he's big! He's really big! He could kill someone with his pinkie finger!"
"Is he killing someone with his pinkie finger?"
"No, but he could!"

If you don't feel safe in a situation but no crimes are actually being committed, MYOB and leave. If someone else dies, the fault is at least partly with them for not noticing any problem.
 
What is the harm in calling the cops? The worst thing they do is check him out, and let him be.

Who cares?

What risk are you actually taking by acting on your concern?
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Well...the party that was enjoying themselves and apparently causing no trouble for anyone before you arrived probably care about having their entire evening ruined by your paranoid and uncessary "intervention".

I'm sorry about the deprivations you suffered in your homeland. If you're not yet a citizen of this country, you should look into it.

Whether you are or not, you should learn to understand the tradition in this country of "live and let live" among those who are minding their own business and harming no one.

It's an idea that goes way back around here.

We're trying not to lose it.

But it ain't easy.
 
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It seems like a lot of posters are not reading the OP. I'm not going to argue about things the OP did not state. :banghead:

A quick look tells me that more folks would MYOB, and some folks would call the cops.
 
I notice the back of his jacket pull up I can see that he is definitely printing a ccw. As I watch him more, I am definitely sure that I see he is CCWing.
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From the OP. He NEVER said that he saw a gun. He saw "printing". What was printing? Could it have been something other than a gun? Absolutely.

If he is not brandishing anything, MYOB.

a2fireball posted:

If I was there and I believed that, I would call the cops.
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Why? Because something was printing?

kyo posted:

What is the harm in calling the cops? The worst thing they do is check him out, and let him be. Who cares?
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If no law is being broken, there is NO need to call the police. You, who claim to be from a police state, want to call the police for something that is legal? It is legal to carry firearms in bars in Oregon.

You don't even know what liberal and conservative means anymore.
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And you know this how? Do you KNOW any of us?

How are you NOT answering to the collective?
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Because this is America, not Uzbekistan.
 
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