Noticed a drunk CCW'ing- what to do

[cassandrasdaddy]

Same damn thing.


no even if we accept that this guy was in fact drunk. how many drinks did he have?how long?

 

[PT1911]

no even if we accept that this guy was in fact drunk. how many drinks did he have?how long?

so now you are a judge of his tolerance of the alcohol... how about how much he has had to drink, how much alcohol was in each drink... and dont forget the big question... beer or liquor?

It doesnt matter how many, how long, what it was, or anything else... I will agree that the situation determines the action required, but the OP is obviously concerned that the man is drunk and has a gun... now, unless he carries a breathalizer in his pocket and has the guts to walk up to a man with a gun in a bar and tell him to blow into this, then I suggest calling the cops and letting them determine whether or not the guy is drunk. If he is, you may have just prevented a bad situation, if he isnt, what did you hurt? everyone gets a laugh out of it.. buy the cops a beer and enjoy the night.

 

[Albatross]

Does no one read?

It isn't illegal to carry concealed in Oregon bars. There are not legal restrictions against drinking and concealed carry. It is not against the law.

Since it isn't illegal, how exactly would calling the cops make it better?

Finally, there are some posters who seem to think that it would be fine for a cop to drink and carry but not an average citizen. Worship the state/authority much?

 

[PT1911]

so... the issue, as I read it, is not drinking while carrying, it is being drunk while carrying.. Personally, I am not going to carry If I plan to drink just to decrease any chances of myself doing anything stupid that would result in someone's injury. I am sure it is not ok in any state to carry while ****faced.... If it is, then that state's laws need some revision.. and as I said before, I dont understand how this sort of situation is not recognized as a serious liability to the pro-gun cause. Ever slept with an ugly girl while drunk (or done anything else equally questionable)? somehow I think pulling a trigger is just slightly easier to bring yourself to do.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

so now you are a judge of his tolerance of the alcohol..


not me but apparently some of you are. over the net no less. i was a drunk been almost 20 years since my last drink and i'm always amused at the amateur carrie nations. i never drank around guns and in the ops case i mighta left if their behavior was that bad. someone takes a gun out or puts their hand on it while drinking i have issues. otherwise i mind my business. i don't harbor any enforcer fantasies

 

[kyo]

in GA it is illegal. Flame me all you want it should be illegal everywhere if you drink. You have a greater responsibility when you have a firearm, and you SHOULD be held to higher standards compared to citizens that don't carry. that is my 2 cents, and I am done with this thread. Hope no one has to witness a gun carrier drink while your family is eating. Cause your reaction would be different that what you posted.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Finally, there are some posters who seem to think that it would be fine for a cop to drink and carry but not an average citizen. Worship the state/authority much?

My thought exactly. Does their"training" make them immune to the effects of alcohol? I will not even clean a gun at home after one beer. The combination of powder and alcohol is deadly,and the grave yards and prison's are full of those that thought otherwise.

 

[PT1911]

it should be illegal everywhere if you drink. You have a greater responsibility when you have a firearm, and you SHOULD be held to higher standards compared to citizens that don't carry.

+1... I completely agree and cannot reasonably justify why anyone wouldnt.... but then again, I actually try to think in a preventative fashion... not just a what if.

 

[Albatross]

Kyo and PT1911 - Yeah, you two are right. We should outlaw it. I can't imagine the horror if I was with my wife and children and they saw an intoxicated man with a gun in his holster. I can hardly bear the thought of it.

Although it has been legal in Oregon for decades, since progressive concealed carry laws were passed and hasn't caused any problems. We'd better pass more restrictions, just in case.

Its for the children after all. Poor things.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Kyo and PT1911 - Yeah, you two are right. We should outlaw it. I can't imagine the horror if I was with my wife and children and they saw an intoxicated man with a gun in his holster. I can hardly bear the thought of it.

Although it has been legal in Oregon for decades, since progressive concealed carry laws were passed and hasn't caused any problems. We'd better pass more restrictions, just in case.

Its for the children after all. Poor things.

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not,but I am pretty proud of Alaska's gun laws[no CC permit required,buy the gun and drop it in your pocket} But state law prohibits possession by intoxicated individuals and I have zero problem with that.

 

[Funderb]

I would be more concerned if he was planning on driving after he was done.

yeah, plus one.

that and, well, oh well. nothing happened and there was even less you could have and should have done.
meh.

 

[REAPER4206969]

America is not yet a police state. One should not be punished for what they MIGHT do.

(or in your seeming opinion dont call at all or you are just a pathetic piece of scum).

That is not very nice Mr. Informant.

 

[RyanM]

Sometimes I wonder about you guys.


Quote:
"YOU CAN'T ENFORCE YOUR BELIEFS UPON SOMEONE! THEY CAN GET DRUNK AND CARRY A GUN AT THE SAME TIME IF THEY WANT. YOU NEED TO MYOB!

Quote:
"YOU CAN'T ENFORCE YOUR BELIEFS UPON SOMEONE! THEY CAN GET DRUNK AND DRIVE A CAR IF THEY WANT MYOB!



Same damn thing.

Pffff. Hardly. Carrying a gun is hardly the same thing as driving a car. So what, you'd call the cops on someone if they were drunk and owned a car? If they were drunk and were near a car? If they were drunk and looked at a car? If they were drunk and were within a 10 mile radius of a car? If they were drunk and they stuffed a car in their pants pocket?

 

[REAPER4206969]

Personally, I am not going to carry If I plan to drink just to decrease any chances of myself doing anything stupid that would result in someone's injury.

Projecting? Just because you are irresponsible, does not mean others are.

 

[REAPER4206969]

I actually try to think in a preventative fashion

Like a Liberal.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Pffff. Hardly. Carrying a gun is hardly the same thing as driving a car. So what, you'd call the cops on someone if they were drunk and owned a car? If they were drunk and were near a car? If they were drunk and looked at a car? If they were drunk and were within a 10 mile radius of a car? If they were drunk and they stuffed a car in their pants pocket?

Loading a magazine into a gun, chambering a round and wearing it while drunk, or becoming drunk is very different than owning a gun while drunk.

Likewise, owning a car while drunk is very different than opening a car door, getting in, starting the car, and putting on your seatbelt.

 

[Kind of Blued]

He obviously knew his own limits. If he had proven that he was not in control of himself, that would be the time to do something in my opinion.

 

[Inthewind]

I would mind my own business and most probably leave.

 

[kanook]

I'm not going to tell you what I think because I'm going to mind my own bussiness

 

[pith43]

I have no problem with CCWing in bars but I make it a VERY clear rule that if I drink the gun stays locked in the car.

That is where knowing your local laws comes into play. In the county where I live, there was only 1 revocation of a CCW permit this year. A guy went to a Christmas party at a local bar and knowing he was going to have a couple of drinks, he left his gun locked in the car. Later he got pulled over for a DUI, and having the gun in the car was enough to yank his permit. If he had put the gun in the trunk he would have been fine (except for the DUI).

I find all the assumptions about the guy in the bar interesting. In truth, sounds like nobody knows for sure if the guy was a cop or a crook, drunk or not drunk. I would treat it like any other situation, if I perceive the guy is a threat, I should do something about it (ie, call the cops). If the guy is not a threat, leave him alone.

 

[Funderb]

If they were drunk and they stuffed a car in their pants pocket?

I don't know if i'd call the cops or have a nervous breakdown.

 

[rbernie]

I'm a big believer in the 'Mind Your Own Bidness' School of Philosophy.

Pretty much.

Quote:
"YOU CAN'T ENFORCE YOUR BELIEFS UPON SOMEONE! THEY CAN GET DRUNK AND DRIVE A CAR IF THEY WANT MYOB!"

Same damn thing.

There is zero evidence to suggest that, simply because the weapon was in his presence, he was going to whip it out and play mischief with it. On the other hand, unless he lives next door to the bar it's a good bet that he WILL endanger everyone else on the road around him.

I'd like to understand how this guy having POSSESSION of a weapon while drunk equates to an equivilent level of danger as actually driving while intoxicated.

Folks who insist that people cannot drink and be around firearms are using the same logic used by The Brady Bunch to push for weapon bans.

 

[Walkalong]

I'd like to understand how this guy having POSSESSION of a weapon while drunk equates to an equivilent level of danger as actually driving while intoxicated.

Yep. Mind my own buisness I would.

 

[rogertc1]

Everything kd7nqb noticed is an assumption.

 

[PT1911]

Like a Liberal.

absolutely.. it is very liberal of me to actually think about what sort of influence my actions might have on others.

I guess the fact that you dont makes you a sociopath... much like many psycho's of the past and present.

People carry guns on a daily basis because they look beyond the present to PREVENT personal injury, death, loss of property....etc. If you or anyone else carries without looking at the circumstances surrounding that particular situation, then you are simply irresponsible... If you carry into a bad neighborhood just for the hell of it, not a good choice, if you seek out trouble, bad idea, and if you carry while drunk you are carrying in a situation in which your judgement is impaired. IF anyone disagrees that carrying while your judgement and coordination is impaired is a bad idea then you seriously need to rethink some things. We carry to protect ourselves and other innocents, when your are in an impaired state, you put yourself everyone else at risk. There is just no way around that. If being responsible is the definition of a liberal, then I guess that is exactly what I am...