Cellphone Video of Shooting In Texas

[Good Ol' Boy]

I saw this on another gun forum like a week ago.

At the time it seemed the "facts" were that the shooter was just a boyfriend of the woman. He did not live at the house. Shootee was an ex-husband that was there to pick up his kid. Mom was playing games by having the kid somewhere else without notifying the dad. Dad is understandably pissed.

Boyfriend comes out and gets involved, then goes back inside to retrieve firearm. Obviously that's when crap hits the fan.


I've thought about this video quite a bit not caring about the state it happened in neccesarily.

To me this was a domestic dispute between mom and dad. Things were heated but didn't seem to be getting violent. IMHO the boyfriend should have stayed out of it unless it got physical. If he was worried at the state it was he should've just called the police.

However, once he brought the gun into play the dad seemed to make some poor decisions, regardless of whether or not boyfriend was justified in doing so. Closing in on someone with a firearm is not smart. Then, after said person fires a warning shot they not only get up close and personal but attempt to grab the weapon.

The whole situation is a dumpster fire but IMHO once the ex-dad decided to try and grab the gun that was reason enough to shoot.

I personally don't think the gun was warranted in the first place, but up to now it doesn't look as if the boyfriend was technically doing anything illegal by getting the gun given the situation.

To top everything off it seems as if the "mom" has connections and last I heard the shooter hasn't been charged with anything.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

The house is owned by Carruth's father and conducts business from the address, so he should have had the right to tell Read to leave...

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/n...-my-husband-jennifer-read-pleads-for-justice/

The current wife of the Read has a lawyer who misrepresented the confrontation as non-violent before Read was shot. That is most definitely wrong. His client's husband verbally threatened and assaulted Carruth.

Chad Read, the deceased, was apparently a felon along with yet another one of his wives...
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/txn/PressRel09/read_chad_sen_pr.html

 

[jmorris]

They made a GIF out of it?

Why would they make a GIF out of it?

It does make, very clear, that if you bring a firearm into a situation where you are able to loose control of it easily, you can escalate the situation to life/death almost instantly…

From scary movies we know to not run down the middle of the road, if someone is running you down in a car. From this segment we can see, swinging someone around by the barrel of the rifle they are armed with, is a bad idea.

Makes me wonder what would have happened if the right arm of dead guy went between black shirts two hands vs towards the muzzle end of the barrel. With the swing of the guy and rifle, looks almost like he pointed it at himself.

Know when you are right, know when others are wrong, and know what to do so you can be alive to report such to proper authorities.

 

[JDeere]

Anyway you slice it the shooter will be out a lot of cash and subject to a Grand Jury investigation. The smart move in this situation would have been to stay in the house and defend himself as a last resort. 2 hot heads arguing with a weapon involved usually doesn't end well for either party...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Anyway you slice it the shooter will be out a lot of cash and subject to a Grand Jury investigation.

This can happen in ANY self defense shooting, particularly where one party dies, at least in Texas and several other states that don't protect the shooter from civil litigation, though they may still be out of cash dealing with potential legal issues.

 

[luzyfuerza]

This event is a good example of why even non-sworn defenders are wise to have a tool available that is "between a harsh word and a gun."

Yea, teal-shirt was a jerk. Yea, he was apparently trespassing. But teal shirt, in the beginning, didn't appear to pose an imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. Black shirt had time in the middle of this event to go get a tool. Wouldn't it have been better for all concerned if black shirt had first reached for and applied some potent hot sauce? In the hope that this would have taken the starch out of teal's rant?

Now, if teal had been threatening with a knife or a firearm or other deadly force, hot sauce wouldn't be appropriate.

But after he chose not to stay in the house behind the closed door, and he introduced the PCC, black shirt's only choices were to shoot teal, to brandish without shooting, or to try to fire the deadly weapon in a non-deadly manner (the "warning shot"). The warning shot and brandishing didn't cool teal down, so the next option was also the last.

FWIW, if you don't already carry pepper spray, a good place to start learning about it is here:



Don't just watch the video. Look at the links in the description.

And see if you can avoid the mistakes that black shirt made in this event.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

The little fella was very fortunate that the man that was shot wasn't actually trying to disarm or kill him. Setting aside the legal issue of justification the "warning shot" or attempt to shoot his foot (whichever it was) was legally and tactically moronic. I can't read minds but looking at the body language a few things seem obvious:

• This wasn't their first rodeo, they seem to have danced the monkey dance before.
• Little man seemed to puff up and use the gun as though it was a booster seat of platform shoes, to be bigger, to intimidate.
• The father of the kids seemed eager to take his frustrations out on the little man and thought he was just barking.
• The little man finally reached the point he figured he could get away shooting.

What a goat rope!

 

[jmorris]

Seems like a good one for a Lifetime movie, seems the shooter was married to a District Judge.

“Carruth was estranged from his wife State District Judge Ann-Marie Carruth at the time of the shooting.”

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/...-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-in-lubbock/

The father of the kids seemed eager to take his frustrations out on the little man and thought he was just barking.

It’s a bad mistake to think someone that has escalated a situation by bringing a firearm into it, won’t use it. A fatal one in this case.

Wouldn't it have been better for all concerned if black shirt had first reached for and applied some potent hot sauce? In the hope that this would have taken the starch out of teal's rant?

Seems to me like it was just a guy mad that his kid wasn’t there once the shooter went back inside. He and the other woman could have gone inside and waited for police there. Either way the dead man made no moves that seemed to endanger the woman. Yelling about taking everyone to court doesn’t seem like a person getting ready to cause physical harm.

I don’t think I would have escalated the situation with pepper spray though. That can be just as bad for the user as the subject, why Police are hosed with it in training before they carry it. Not to mention, you don’t want to be the guy holding pepper spray when the guy you just hosed, draws a gun.

Inside the home seems to be the right place to be or maybe patching things up with your wife vs inserting yourself into an argument between your girlfriend(?) and her ex husband.

 

[jmorris]

No idea why this came to mind while driving today, I wonder about the load and shot placement. I have shot a lot of hogs with .22’s and pistol calibers (mostly from carbines, there are not a lot of areas one can hit that are that “lights out”.

 

[redcon1]

Looks like murder to me.

I don't see it that way. The man was told to vacate the premises and he refused to do so and then he threatened to take the weapon. He was given fair warning and he disregarded it. It's ugly AF but how can this be anything but self defense? Sometimes free speech is ugly too but it's still free speech.

 

[Kleanbore]

The man was told to vacate the premises and he refused to do so and then he threatened to take the weapon. He was given fair warning and he disregarded it. It's ugly AF but how can this be anything but self defense?

Trespass is not cause for deadly force, and having tried to take the weapon is not cause after the act has failed. It will likely come down to how the timing is seen,\.

 

[jmorris]

To understand how the castle law works, it is important to understand the underlying laws for self-defense and the use of force related to protecting others and property. The key word in all of these laws is “reasonable.” For example, it is never considered reasonable to use force against someone for words alone. Tex. Penal Code § 9.31(b)(1). If the force used is reasonable in the situation, then using force is considered justified.

As dumb as it was to bring that rifle out on the porch, that’s not illegal.

When the dead guy grabbed the little guys rifle and swung him off the porch, because of the zoom on the camera, we loose perspective of the dead guys actions. If he was (there is another camera angle from inside behind the glass door, I have yet to see video of) “hands up don’t shoot”, little guy is more likely to be in trouble. If he was making a move towards the little guy. Little guy, even though being responsible for bringing the firearm into the situation, would be as justified in maintaining possession of it or fear it could be used against him had he lost possession as Kyle Rittenhouse was and he was not on his private property in Texas but acquitted.

 

[AK Hunter]

Any confrontation when picking up children for visitation you immediately call the police, is what my lawyer toll me.
My ex was so hateful she would make it hell every time I had to pick up my children. After many battles with her when police were called she finally had to be court ordered to drop them off at a local convenience store for me to pick them up.
I'm not sure what Texas laws are this could be iffy at best. Ether way this shooting death could have been avoided.

 

[Milt1]

In my opinion, not murder but self defense after the father of the child was told to leave in no uncertain terms. The father then escalated the situation. Previous to the shooting the father was in a threatening position with his wife. He had the court behind him with rights to visit the child and should have let the justice system handle it. The old saying goes, "You can in the right and be dead right." It's a terrible situation regardless!

 

[Kleanbore]

In my opinion, not murder but self defense after the father of the child was told to leave in no uncertain terms

That would not justify the use of deadly force--even in Texas.

Previous to the shooting the father was in a threatening position with his wife.

Nor would that.

We'll see how this unfolds.

 

[Milt1]

That would not justify the use of deadly force--even in Texas.

Nor would that.

We'll see how this unfolds.

You're taking what I said out of context. I agree with you that being told to leave isn't justifiable but I went on to say the father then escalated the situation and he did by grabbing the rifle and swinging the smaller guy around on his own front porch. By his action it's clear he isn't leaving and he also verbally threatened the smaller guy. As you stated, we'll see how this unfolds.

 

[Kleanbore]

I went on to say the father then escalated the situation and he did by grabbing the rifle and swinging the smaller guy around on his own front porch

Past tense. That does not constitute an immediate threat of death or serious injury.

By his action it's clear he isn't leaving

Doesn't matter--deadly force cannot e used to stop trespass, even in TX.

he also verbally threatened the smaller guy.

Specifically excluded from justification in Texas law.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Past tense. That does not constitute an immediate threat of death or serious injury.

You said it yourself, that will depend on how the timing is perceived.

 

[jmorris]

Ether way this shooting death could have been avoided.

This should be the most important take away or lesson learned. “If your looking for trouble, your likely to find it.”

Not only could it have been avoided, either of the two, the killer or dead guy could have prevented it, it took both of them to create the event.

 

[reloaded_in_pa]

holy wow.

I don't see a lot of concern for the guy who got shot, either from the people around or the person taking the video.

I agree. To me that's the most disturbing part. Is society really growing that cold ?

 

[Jeff White]

Let's stay on topic. We don't need to drift into the state of society. That's off topic here.

 

[tarosean]

Chad Read, the deceased, was apparently a felon along with yet another one of his wives...

So they all deserve to die? Is that what your saying?????

 

[Zerodefect]

It shows a pattern of bad decision making.

Rubbing his chest on an armed man, was another one.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

So they all deserve to die? Is that what your saying?????

I am sorry that you did not understand my English. I made a simple statement and provided a link. Where would you get such a ludicrous idea?

 

[Kleanbore]

The backgrounds of the persons involved are not important to the case.

A criminal investigation is planned. We cannot know whether charges will be filed or how any litigation would turn out.

It should be abundantly clear that, regardless of the outcome, going toward a confrontation of any kind while holding a firearm is not prudent.

That's not just because of the obvious legal risk. The shooter might well have been seriously injured or killed in this incident.

We will learn more soon enough. Should a Grand Jury conclude that, based on what is known now (absent a defense of justification), there is a very a high likelihood that the shooter will be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, charges will be filed.

At this point, the fate of the shooter is entirely in the hands of others.