CNN hates to do it, but they have no choice!
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Church CCW OK in CO!
Church carry is in A-OK in Colorado.
At least our legislature/governor got the state's CCW policy mostly right.
Very few places are actually off limits.
Businesses may post any sign that they want, but you are only violating a law (tresspassing) if they ask you and your weapon to leave and you don't. Keep it concealed and you are good to go.
You can even have a beer with dinner while CCWing, just don't become intoxicated.
Church carry is in A-OK in Colorado.
At least our legislature/governor got the state's CCW policy mostly right.
Very few places are actually off limits.
Businesses may post any sign that they want, but you are only violating a law (tresspassing) if they ask you and your weapon to leave and you don't. Keep it concealed and you are good to go.
You can even have a beer with dinner while CCWing, just don't become intoxicated.
LegalAlien
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But who knows - maybe Glenn Beck will be a good one to interview her
jackie treehorn
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The antis will only cry that they "never hear about people using guns to save lives"! Heck, we're ALL security guards. Some of us choose to be armed for the task. I just don't like the notion of yelling "Stop!...or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!".
I will shoot an extra mag of 9mm tomorrow, in honor of the heroine that stopped a mass killing in progress. It's times like this that I am glad that we still have a right to keep and bear arms.
I wonder how long it took the police to show up at the church. 5 minutes?
I will shoot an extra mag of 9mm tomorrow, in honor of the heroine that stopped a mass killing in progress. It's times like this that I am glad that we still have a right to keep and bear arms.
I wonder how long it took the police to show up at the church. 5 minutes?
charon
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I bet they're just rushing to get her for the next segment of Anderson Cooper 360
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gunsmith
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does anyone have links?
that would help
that would help
romma
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Talk about a "Well Regulated Militia"... There you go, Church people volunteering looking out for one another!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-10-colorado-monday_N.htm
Seems like normal , everyday people , who happen to be armed . This is what SHOULD happen to those that decide to make people victims . But for some reason the anti crowd just doesn't get it . we all know that the one common denominator in the slew of mass shootings has been that they were in "gun free" zones . This story should be told loud and often as to what WOULD happen if people were not stripped of their RKBA for their "safety" .
DENVER — The gunman believed responsible for killing four people and wounding five more in two Sunday shootings was a 24-year-old suburban Denver man who "hated Christmas," a law enforcement official told the Associated Press.
So the "Church Lady" shot and killed the "Grinch". As someone noted earlier, this could make for some interesting skits.
A possible reason for the Grinch hating Christmas was because his heart was two sizes too small. The Church Llady must have really been a good shot then, if she was aiming for the heart.
So the "Church Lady" shot and killed the "Grinch". As someone noted earlier, this could make for some interesting skits.
A possible reason for the Grinch hating Christmas was because his heart was two sizes too small. The Church Llady must have really been a good shot then, if she was aiming for the heart.
jrou111
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Security = having a gun (honestly, how secure are unarmed guards?)
Guard = vigilant
Although all the facts are not in, I think that this is good news to hear in light of other events involving firearms in the past week.
I wonder if she'll be on Glen Beck?
Guard = vigilant
Although all the facts are not in, I think that this is good news to hear in light of other events involving firearms in the past week.
I wonder if she'll be on Glen Beck?
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jrou111
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Also, anyone else feel there should be an Oleg poster for this?
CJ
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Some were asking for links.
For the moment, it's up at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html
Titled "Source: One gunman responsible for Colorado shootings"
Quotes from the current article, in case it's changed later:
"The source said there were three security guards in the area of the shooting, only one of whom had a weapon. That guard fired at him, causing him to fall down, and she told him to drop his weapon, the source said. But Murray appeared to try to grab something that may have been a grenade, so the guard shot him again, the source said."
""She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon." (sic, quotation marks of quote within article were never closed)
For the moment, it's up at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html
Titled "Source: One gunman responsible for Colorado shootings"
Quotes from the current article, in case it's changed later:
"The source said there were three security guards in the area of the shooting, only one of whom had a weapon. That guard fired at him, causing him to fall down, and she told him to drop his weapon, the source said. But Murray appeared to try to grab something that may have been a grenade, so the guard shot him again, the source said."
""She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon." (sic, quotation marks of quote within article were never closed)
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Waiting see if the CBS, NBC, and ABC Evening News report this action by the plain clothes security guard. The same to me as a person with a CWC permit.
At last a good guy (in this case a gal) was there to stop a killer.
Much thanks to the brave lady
Thank God
At last a good guy (in this case a gal) was there to stop a killer.
Much thanks to the brave lady
Thank God
30 cal slob
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Amen, brother.
CJ
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By the way, a press release from the church is at: http://www.newlifechurch.org/db_images2/12-10-9am.pdf
Some quotes from it:
Question: Can you tell us more about your security person who shot the
gunman?
Yes. She she is highly trained, and is a volunteer member of our church and,
simply, her role is to provide security and she did her job yesterday and she is a
real hero. When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and
encountered the attacker in the hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our
building. There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably
saved over a hundred lives. He had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of
damage, and she rushed toward the attacker and took him down in the hallway.
Question: Was the security officer stationed where she normally would be
stationed?
I don't know where she is normally stationed--she is often near me, but takes
assignments wherever needed. She is a volunteer--this is a person that comes to
our church and is a worshiper here. We have two services--so she sits in one
service and worships, and then serves in the second service as security many
times.
Question: Was she an off-duty police officer?
No, but she does have law enforcement background.
Question: Was she uniformed?
No, she was plain-clothes.
Question: How large is the security team? Are they all armed?
I don't know the exact number we have on the team--approximately fifteen or
twenty. The only ones that are armed are the ones licensed to be carry weapons.
We follow the law very carefully and we follow strict guidelines, because there is
obviously a lot of legality involved. We have to have a security team that large
because of the size of our church--we have 300,000 square feet of buildings and
there are people on our campus all the time. So we have to have a provide security
for that size building.
Question: Was the gun used her weapon or the church's weapon?
No, we don't own weapons. It was her personal weapon that she was licensed to
carry.
Some quotes from it:
Question: Can you tell us more about your security person who shot the
gunman?
Yes. She she is highly trained, and is a volunteer member of our church and,
simply, her role is to provide security and she did her job yesterday and she is a
real hero. When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and
encountered the attacker in the hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our
building. There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably
saved over a hundred lives. He had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of
damage, and she rushed toward the attacker and took him down in the hallway.
Question: Was the security officer stationed where she normally would be
stationed?
I don't know where she is normally stationed--she is often near me, but takes
assignments wherever needed. She is a volunteer--this is a person that comes to
our church and is a worshiper here. We have two services--so she sits in one
service and worships, and then serves in the second service as security many
times.
Question: Was she an off-duty police officer?
No, but she does have law enforcement background.
Question: Was she uniformed?
No, she was plain-clothes.
Question: How large is the security team? Are they all armed?
I don't know the exact number we have on the team--approximately fifteen or
twenty. The only ones that are armed are the ones licensed to be carry weapons.
We follow the law very carefully and we follow strict guidelines, because there is
obviously a lot of legality involved. We have to have a security team that large
because of the size of our church--we have 300,000 square feet of buildings and
there are people on our campus all the time. So we have to have a provide security
for that size building.
Question: Was the gun used her weapon or the church's weapon?
No, we don't own weapons. It was her personal weapon that she was licensed to
carry.
Nightwing
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On Cnn!?!?!?!? Oh Man! That's Freaking Awesome!!!!!!!
sacp81170a
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Under the 2nd Amendment, we are.
My prayers go out to the victims, but let's not be guilty of "dancing in the blood" as we so often accuse our opposition of doing. This good lady is going to have to deal with some major mental, physical and emotional aftereffects of taking a human life. It happens to everyone to one extent or another, so I hope she has supportive friends and family who know how to help.
charon
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This still leaves the media an out to spin it away from the "common person." I wonder exactly what that background is?
The pastor is in CYA mode, as he should be, but a few more details would be useful.
charon
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It's sad, but the way things are with no real allies in the media, we have to grasp every straw we can in horrible events like this. It really does suck that when the news breaks my first thought is often: "I hope its a revolver... or I hope it was a hunting rifle... or a sporting shotgun..."
The other side will dance in the blood with the media right along side. We have to be willing to promote any positives we can, as distasteful as that might be at times.
Actually, it reads to me as if he's trying to preserve some folks' privacy for just a bit longer. I know if I'd been the woman that took the shot, or if one of my family members had been among the wounded, I'd certainly be grateful for the extra time out of the spotlight.
pax
ColinthePilot
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Thoughts and prayers for everyone involved.
In Florida, we could legally carry anywhere except schools (we could keep it in a vehicle), federal buildings, court houses (and the like) and bars. I don't recall churches being on the list, but the few times I attended mass in college, I never carried simply out of a personal sense of impropriety. I don't personally like the idea of carrying a weapon into God's house. Its supposed to be a place of peace on the day of peace. My views have changed a bit now.
In Florida, we could legally carry anywhere except schools (we could keep it in a vehicle), federal buildings, court houses (and the like) and bars. I don't recall churches being on the list, but the few times I attended mass in college, I never carried simply out of a personal sense of impropriety. I don't personally like the idea of carrying a weapon into God's house. Its supposed to be a place of peace on the day of peace. My views have changed a bit now.
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From post #29:
2 minutes from initial 911 call to first officer on scene. I'd say that's pretty good.
2 minutes from initial 911 call to first officer on scene. I'd say that's pretty good.
ilcylic
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So much for all of those people in the Omaha thread who were saying how impossible it is for someone armed with a handgun to engage someone armed with a rifle. Good thing this lady didn't know that.
As for her... *salute*
That poor man who lost his two daughters. No words can convey.
True enough. And sometimes, it's up to good people to keep it thus.
As for her... *salute*
That poor man who lost his two daughters. No words can convey.
ColinthePilot said:
True enough. And sometimes, it's up to good people to keep it thus.
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