Comparing the Springfield XD to the Glock...

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I had a XDsc 9mm. It was a great gun, but I wanted a trigger with little take-up and little/no overtravel. I found http://powderriverprecision.com/. This guy makes a drop in kit (i.e. no mods to the gun) that gives the XD a great 4lb trigger, no overtravel, and short take-up. There are some youtube videos that demonstrate how much this kit changes the trigger. I highly recommend it.

I ended up trading it for a 1911 since it was too fat for me to wear IWB.
 
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The grip safety does not in ANY WAY take away from the performance or reliability of the gun.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying that with 100% confidence (what it appears to me you're saying, if I misunderstood I apologize). Can you you say with 100% confidence you will have a solid grip on your XD to deactivate the grip safety in the even you are in get knocked around in the middle of drawing and stress levels are extremely high?

What are you going to do if your XD get pushed out of battery when you have it in someone's gut and you want to get a shot off? With the grip safety you need both hands to keep it in battery which may not be possible depending on your situation. With a Glock, HK, and M&P you can hold the slide into battery with your thumb so you can get at least one shot off.

So actually yes, there is a chance the grip safety could take away from the performance of the gun. While it may be very slight, there is a chance that grip safety could hinder you getting a shot(s) off.
 
3. drop safety. can't see this being an issue with a xd, but my LCP once FELL OUT of my pocket holster onto a hard floor when i was sitting down. scared the **** out of me, and i promptly replaced the holster, but still nice to know such a safety is there
4. loaded chamber indicator. nice to have.
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Glock has both of those things. They have been dropped from helicopters and not discharged from it, just like any other modern pistol must do if it wants to be considered safe or worth buying.
 
you can hold the slide into battery with your thumb so you can get at least one shot off.
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Oh my god I would never reccomend doing that at all, I suppose a thumb snapped back against your wrist isn't as bad as losing a life or death struggle, but good lord, just thinking about shooting like that is making me cringe.
 
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you wont be winning any thumb wrestling matches after that.

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What makes you say that? What exactly do you think happens?
 
I'm wondering if they think you mean using your thumb to hold the slide in battery from the back of the slide, which would obviously do some serious damage to your thumb when the slide recoils.
 
NG VI said:
Oh my god I would never reccomend doing that at all, I suppose a thumb snapped back against your wrist isn't as bad as losing a life or death struggle, but good lord, just thinking about shooting like that is making me cringe.
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Blues Brother said:
you wont be winning any thumb wrestling matches after that.
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geektoad said:
I'm wondering if they think you mean using your thumb to hold the slide in battery from the back of the slide, which would obviously do some serious damage to your thumb when the slide recoils.
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I've never tried it before but I've seen it done without the expected thumb-ripping result. The gun fires a round and the slide doesn't recoil. You would have to manually rechamber a round. Here's a clip on youtube that I've seen from another forum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8sbb8eDjg
 
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I'm wondering if they think you mean using your thumb to hold the slide in battery from the back of the slide, which would obviously do some serious damage to your thumb when the slide recoils.

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I used to think that as well. Actually holding the back of the slide with your thumb to keep in battery doesn't do much other than a little sting to the thumb if that. Maybe after firing numerous rounds or so it would start getting a little sore.
 
My personal opinion is Glocks & XD's are both good guns. I own an XD & have shot a couple of Glocks. Both brands have their pluses & minuses. I would consider an XD & a Glock to be of comparable quality. I know the really annoys that kool aid drinkers but so be it.
BTW if you want a chuckle www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdYBc0BLgQ
 
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I used to think that as well. Actually holding the back of the slide with your thumb to keep in battery doesn't do much other than a little sting to the thumb if that. Maybe after firing numerous rounds or so it would start getting a little sore.
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Didn't realize it was such a non-issue, I would expect it to at least give you some severely unpleasant bending.
 
"...Hk's cost more for a reason. Guns and quality boots are two things I make sure I don't cheese out on. No inferior firearms with dopey beavertails for me. Carrying a gun that has a beavertail safety is like walking around with a shoehorn sticking in the heels of your shoes. It's just goofy. It's about time people got ashamed of themselves for tolerating this beavertail nonsense. They're about as useful as richard simmons after sundown..."

I bought my HKs when they cost $530 new and Glocks cost $450. Now they cost $800+ and Glocks $550. I wouldn't take my HKs into the dirt when I could take my Glocks. Don't get me wrong, I love shooting my HK which is what I've shot exclusively for the last 3 years ( & off and on since 1998) but I'm not sure I'd trust it playing in the dirt. It is more complicated to detail strip/maintain and sensitive to overuse. It's a fine handgun(USP) it's just that the Glock is so much easier to shoot/maintain for extended sessions and I just never worry about it. This is personal here so I'm not interested in starting anything up, just relaying my beliefs. If you were in my squad with an HK I wouldn't sweat it, I just prefer Glock and hope your USP is clean when backing me up.
 
I wouldn't go as far as saying that with 100% confidence (what it appears to me you're saying, if I misunderstood I apologize). Can you you say with 100% confidence you will have a solid grip on your XD to deactivate the grip safety in the even you are in get knocked around in the middle of drawing and stress levels are extremely high?
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Point well taken. I suppose what I meant was that the gun itself is 100% reliable. I wouldn't consider a bad grip (within reason) to reflect negatively on the gun, just on the operator or the scenario. But it is something to consider.

What are you going to do if your XD get pushed out of battery when you have it in someone's gut and you want to get a shot off? With the grip safety you need both hands to keep it in battery which may not be possible depending on your situation. With a Glock, HK, and M&P you can hold the slide into battery with your thumb so you can get at least one shot off.
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Point well taken, but I would consider the possibility of such a scenario to be significantly less likely than something foreign getting into the trigger guard on a Glock style pistol. Tradeoffs, I guess.
 
I don't understand why anybody would fuss about a springfield when hk usp's exist. It's baffling that people would give it the time of day. It's like they actually made a concerted effort to engineer goofyness into it.
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USP are like holding a 2X4. I have never understood the love for these guns.
 
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I wouldn't go as far as saying that with 100% confidence (what it appears to me you're saying, if I misunderstood I apologize). Can you you say with 100% confidence you will have a solid grip on your XD to deactivate the grip safety in the even you are in get knocked around in the middle of drawing and stress levels are extremely high?
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If you've only got one hand available and got a bad grip on your Glock you might be able to get a shot off but you'll be doing a one handed clearance of the resulting stovepipe. They are very susceptilble to limp wrist jams.
 
I did not start this thread as a Glock bashing thread, I love my Glocks also. The point is that I think the XD is a pretty nice pistol too, and has some features that seem desirable to me.

To those who are finding fault with the XD, I would love to know exactly what you dislike about it, and not just make an unsubstantiated drive by comment.

I don't really care if you think the XD is ugly. That is a matter of personal preference, and we are comparing it to the Glock, which is no beauty contest winner itself.

For me the grip safety is a good thing. I am used to shooting 1911s, and have no problem with a grip safety. I also like the external thumb safety on my XD.
 
Glock for me. Cheaper, have good engineering and can shoot SSP in IDPA. XD shoots in ESP. Plus the Xd doesn't sit in my hand well. The glocks are better but i shoot 1911. If i will go polymer maybe glock. I have HKs before that are also good but will only buy them used because they are expensive.
 
Hk's cost more for a reason
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Do they cost more because they are more reliable? I dont belive so.

I prefer the ergonomics of my Glock 19 over my dad's XD 9. That and the aftermarket support and the fact that I can work on them myself.

Actually the reason that I prefer my Glock 19 over both the XD and the HK is that they feel top heavy to me.
 
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I've never tried it before but I've seen it done without the expected thumb-ripping result. The gun fires a round and the slide doesn't recoil. You would have to manually rechamber a round. Here's a clip on youtube that I've seen from another forum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8sbb8eDjg
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Even without seeing it demonstrated, it shouldn't be hard to believe--it's merely the normal recoil impulse applied to the slide and the thumb. Because of the limited mass of the slide and all of that force on just the thumb, it is rather hard on the thumb, but nowhere near enough to sever it or even overcome its holding strength (with most calibers). That said, I wouldn't recommend "limp-thumbing" because you could potentially be injured by cuts or even dislocation--keep that thumb firmly on the slide and press forward. I wouldn't recommend practicing the technique, either--it's only for emergencies.
 
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