Concealed Weapons Permit Badge?

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No... not quite...

wait one... As you're yelling "ON YOUR FACE, CCW", are you pulling the gun or the badge?

In Civvy-Land, you don't use the gun to boss people around. Sure. The BG might have the opportunity to cease & desist as you're acquiring a good sight picture, but other than that a concealed piece is pulled to shoot someone - not to gain compliance.

If the bad guy suddenly stops being a threat as you're preparing to shoot him, so be it. You can order him to do certain things while you're busy not shooting him. Hopefuly the Police will be there quickly. they are good at telling BGs what to do.
 
I've always figured that a CCW badge can serve a purpose for CCW holders as a means of identification to LEO in the event of having to use a concealed weapon, but there are risks of course. Keeping a blissninny from wetting themselves and causing you headache in the case of an accidental exposure is a good thing. The main problem as many have stated is that concealed means concealed, and wearing a badge can get you in hot water for impersonating an officer. And if you're counting on a CCW badge to give a blissninny pause, then you're counting on that person mistaking you for an officer.

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea unless the badges for any given state, or given reciprocity concerns now, for all given states, is of a prescribed size, shape, color, configuration, etc., that will make it easily recognizable to any LEO nationwide.
 
The BG might have the opportunity to cease & desist as you're acquiring a good sight picture, but other than that a concealed piece is pulled to shoot someone - not to gain compliance.
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Quite:

I'm not sure if it is like this in other states but here if you use your CCW to stop an impending crime the BG can walk off whenever he wants you are not allowed to detain him under threat of force.

At least thats what the LEO who taught the CCW class presented to us.

I'm not sure where citizens arrest comes into play.
 
I'm not sure if it is like this in other states but here if you use your CCW to stop an impending crime the BG can walk off whenever he wants you are not allowed to detain him under threat of force.
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If the crime is impending, then you have no reason to draw on him in the first place. The only reason to draw on someone is you feel your life is in danger. Any action on the part of the BG that would reasonably lead to that conclusion would almost certainly qualify as a violation of the law, and in that case, I am pretty sure you can hold the person until the police arrive. Example: someone threatens you with a knife at a close ditance. You have nowhere to run, so you draw down on him. Upon seeing his potential victim with a gun, the BG drops the knife. At this point, are you saying that he can just walk away and you can't hold him? I would think you have good reason to keep him there until the calvary shows up, that being the fact that he comitted assault with a deadly weapon and may be a threat to others in the immediate area. However, that is a good question now that I think about it.
 
Leave the badges to the professionals. Most bad guys don't carry their Sigs in 70 dollar+ holsters. Blissninnies are always afraid. By the by bad guys can carry fake badges. When a professional with a real badge approaches you he/she will generally exercise caution regardless of badge.

Unless you are a paid professional it is, in my humble opinion, best not to wear a badge openly.
 
If your dealing with a GOOD cop seeing a flashy thing on your belt isnt going to make a damn bit of difference in a tense situation. Like he has never seen fake badges before :rolleyes:

Another problem is there is nothing worse than being mistaken for a cop. When i work uniformed security it AMAZES me that some people think im a cop, i dont even carry a gun and our uniforms are completely different. Its great when people go up to you asking if they can have a ride to the methadone clinic, help with a tire, give their abusive husband a "talking to" etc. I guess some guys might get off on it but, really its a hassle and potentially dangerous.
 
You put that shiny piece of crap on your lapel and you've given up something important. (Cover & concealment.) There's no more blending in with the crowd---you're saying "Hey! Shoot me first"! If the bad guy already has his weapon out, the "badge holder", at the very least, is going to be disarmed FIRST.
Badges are a bad thing.

KR
 
When I had to go to the police station, they have these little stickers they give kids while they're waiting with their parents...I'd just buy one of those...what can I say, I'm a cheapskate :D
 
When I had to go to the police station, they have these little stickers they give kids while they're waiting with their parents...I'd just buy one of those...what can I say, I'm a cheapskate
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You have to buy them? Our department gives them away for free! :)

The only time I wear a badge other than in uniform, is when I'm called in on my day off to do a prisoner pick-up. I wear my civies with the badge on my belt next to my sidearm.
 
Yep that's what I meant, the little free stickers.

Gotta put one in my wallet. It also is tacticaller as it's flat and won't print thru your butt pocket like badges do....
 
I just don't think a badge is enough. I'm going to have a bunch of raid t-shirts that say BYSTANDER in 4 inch letters across the chest and back printed up.

I don't doubt that there are a few people carrying these toy badges around in order to help prevent sheeple panic or a shooting by responding cops. I also don't doubt that the majoroty of people carrying them are simply little wannabes.
 
I've seen shirts like that.

I've also toyed with the idea of getting a raid jacked with "INNOCENT BYSTANDER" lettered on the pull-down panel. :evil:
 
Yep that's what I meant, the little free stickers.
Gotta put one in my wallet. It also is tacticaller as it's flat and won't print thru your butt pocket like badges do....
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As a joke one evening while approaching my best friend's house for dinner, I slapped a "Junior Police Officer" sticker badge on the upper left corner of my best friend's Honda Accord. I put it right about where lots of people like to put those "State Trooper Association" decals that they get for mailing in $30 to some telemarketer that calls them and promises them that they'll "show their support for fallen Troopers/Police Officers' families, 'and get a handsome decal!'" (Haw. Less than 2% of the money they take in actually goes to such a fund, and everyone knows the old ticket-dodging tactic. Hint: it does NOT work with any officer I know. If you want to donate money to a good cause, go to them. DON'T pay out to a caller who called you.) The sticker I put was a simple gold-ish yellow flat color, the size and shape of a badge, that gives my department name on the top and "Junior Police Officer" on the bottom, in dark blue lettering. We give 'em out to kids like candy, and the kids love 'em. (Heck, find me a kid that doesn't love a sticker.)

So after I had it smoothed on the glass, I went inside, chuckling at the thought of my best friend's reaction when he found that he'd been "deputized" a "J.P.O." from his old home town (where I work as a cop). Here's the thing-- my best friend is, unlike myself, extremely "car proud." He keeps that thing immaculate, always washed, waxed, vacuumed, and Armor-All'd. I figured he'd throw a fit when he found the sticker on his car.

A week and a half later, he calls me, and laughs gleefully as he relates how he had caught himself speeding past a patrol officer going the same direction, and had cringed, expecting a ticket, but hadn't been pulled over! The badge sticker [SFX: trumpets blaring regally in the background] had saved him! [ :rolleyes: ] He even thought he saw a little "thumbs up" from the cop, too. My best friend, who drives like something of a speed demon and always employs the top end radar detector in his car, declared that he was NEVER taking down the [SFX: trumpets blaring] badge sticker from his car. I tried to explain that no cop I know would ever give any credence to such a silly icon. But he refused to hear such nonsense! The badge sticker was the shtuff, baby!

A year later, I noticed it was fading, and we had new metallic gold badge stickers, embossed with the same wording. They look pretty durn shiny. I slapped a new one on his back window, next to the old one, figuring he would say "enough is enough-- no more!" Two days later, though, he called me again, thanking me for the boon.

This, from a guy with honors degrees in Aerospace Engineering and Computer Science from A&M, who is by all other measures, a purty smart fellow. Heh. You never know what people will convince themselves of. :)


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As to the open badge for the Concealed Carriers? I STRONGLY oppose them, but won't arrest them unless they claim to be a cop while displaying them.
 
Why are you picking up prisoners on your day off? Do you take them home for dinner?
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Actually most of them would probably like that! :D

Usually if you get a "Hit" from another agency that they're holding a subject on your warrant, Ya gotta go get them. If there's not enough staff on duty at the time, I'll get called in (usually on Sat, & Sun.). :rolleyes:
 
BUT these badges just may stop a cop or first responder from shooting you upon arrival to the scene of a shooting when you have your gun drawn,
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I laminated my concealed permit and carry it in an ID holder with my DL across from it. One could hold this up if their weapon was drawn and were approached by police investigating the incident (as they put their weapon on the ground as instructed of course). Technically, in my state at least, a permit holder is required to present ID and permit whenever approached by an officer anyway.

Most cops wear their badge on the belt, directly ahead of the holster. This is so that if the weapon is exposed to the public by happenstance, the badge will also be exposed and panic will not ensue. People see the badge and assume that the person is a cop and that the gun is "allowed" to be there.
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If that was a concern, one could carry their permit on a holder next to their holster also. IF any sheeple even noticed a flash, it would probably look official enough to calm them.

I just make sure my weapon is hidden and never present my permit or any other indication that I'm carrying except as required by law.
 
Like mammary glands on a male bovine, only more useless and a far worse idea.

I can see no point, as any cop will want to see paperwork or an ID, not a piece of tin. Sheeple should never see the gun at all, so they ought not to be upset by its presence to start with.
 
Post this question on glock talk or do a search on it over there. It's been discussed repeatedly. Those people will make you grab your stomach in laughter...
 
Thanks for the grin, Matt G! That was the funniest story I've heard in a while. So much for the "rocket scientist" theory,huh?:uhoh:
 
Unless on duty, we are encouraged to carry concealed, by law the badge must be worn within 3 inches of the gun.
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What are you supposed to do with shoulder rigs, then? I guess you could still clip it on your belt on the gun-side, but if it's riding higher under your arm it's probably more than 3 inches.
 
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