BHPshooter
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"Well I do!"
Good luck, Shake.
Concealed Carry Conundrum. . . Long, but need Suggestions?
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"Well I do!"
Good luck, Shake.
Sunray
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If you want to keep your cushy government job, you'll comply or take them to court. Citing violations of the law. If you have a union they should be involved. Try the 'safety of employees' angle. The coppers, up here, got issued semi autos, at my expense, because they cried a revolver wasn't safe. The fact that most of them can't shoot worth beans and are a hazard to themselves and everyone around them is irrelevant. The fact that they are making over 50 grand a year to sit in donut shops and collect taxes is. Toronto's cop budget is half a billion dollars, most of which goes to fat pay cheques for personnel. And they can't seem to stop the increasing number of gang related shootings. Mind you, the Chief has said the registry is a waste of money.
What it boils down to is if you feel your rights are being violated it's up to you to do something. Sue them, comply or find another job.
What it boils down to is if you feel your rights are being violated it's up to you to do something. Sue them, comply or find another job.
XavierBreath,
As I mentioned previously, the rule has been changed to ALLOW concealed carry. If I were "discovered", the state attorney general is behind me, and there are NO rules prohibiting concealed carry of firearms by employees. . .
Shake
As I mentioned previously, the rule has been changed to ALLOW concealed carry. If I were "discovered", the state attorney general is behind me, and there are NO rules prohibiting concealed carry of firearms by employees. . .
Shake
I used to carry a Kahr P40 in a Smart Carry. With pleated pants, there's no way anyone would know it's there. Without pleated pants, I could notice a slight crease made by the wide base of the magazine. It was so slight that I doubt anyone else noticed. If they did, they never commented.
rock jock
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Thunderware
Winchester model 1300 12 g. Oh, just kidding. I have a belt pack by Uncle Mike's that has a conceiled pocket inside the main zippered one. It is big enough for my 442, maybe something bigger. The conceiled pocket velcros closed tight and you have to give it a good rip to open it up. I wear this with a large shirt untucked over it . It works well and was not to much$$$$
Good luck.
Good luck.
If you absolutely, positively cannot be made, try a Beretta 21A .22 lr in your front pocket, stoked with CCI Stingers. It may not be a great stopper, but you can unload an entire mag into the face at 12 feet in under 2 seconds. Add a second for the draw.
It's cheap (the gun and the ammo) and very fun to shoot. It's also accurate at distance. Spare mags are pretty small, and you easily can carry a couple.
It's cheap (the gun and the ammo) and very fun to shoot. It's also accurate at distance. Spare mags are pretty small, and you easily can carry a couple.
I almost always carry SW 637 (air wt j frame) in Uncle Mikes #3 pocket holster, I usually use hotel key cards (same shape/size as Credit card) to help mask the gun. Recently started using a Credit CArd sized pocket ice scraper to mask.
When I don't carry the j frame I carry a P32 in Uncle Mikes #1 pocket holster (I bought P32 when first came out, would suggest anyone buying now to get P3at since 380 much better than 32 IMo).
I don't think anyone would ever be able to make the J frame by sight, but at my part time job tend to bump into people a bit when it is busy so I usuallly use the P32 when working there.
The LEO that I have called for problems have never made me & I figure they are more likely to than co workers.
Pants are dockers, and I carry strongside front pocket.
When I don't carry the j frame I carry a P32 in Uncle Mikes #1 pocket holster (I bought P32 when first came out, would suggest anyone buying now to get P3at since 380 much better than 32 IMo).
I don't think anyone would ever be able to make the J frame by sight, but at my part time job tend to bump into people a bit when it is busy so I usuallly use the P32 when working there.
The LEO that I have called for problems have never made me & I figure they are more likely to than co workers.
Pants are dockers, and I carry strongside front pocket.
Ok you can legally carry at work now but you want concealment.
Get a smartcarry. I have used mine for over a year now. I have gone to lots of touchy feely family functions and have never been made. Just today I opened a CD at my bank and the manager was none the wiser that I had my Sp101 .357 and a xtra speedloader with me. If I can carry under a pair of swimshorts, you can easily carry at work and no one will be the wiser.
Get a smartcarry. I have used mine for over a year now. I have gone to lots of touchy feely family functions and have never been made. Just today I opened a CD at my bank and the manager was none the wiser that I had my Sp101 .357 and a xtra speedloader with me. If I can carry under a pair of swimshorts, you can easily carry at work and no one will be the wiser.
clubsoda22
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If he did know you might have gotten a better interest rate
Here's a note I sent to SmartCarry
Sent to Charlie Parrott - owner of Smartcarry:
I've had a Smartcarry for a while now and use it when an IWB is a little tough to use, like under a tight shirt. I use an IWB tuckable from Tucker and really love it. It's my main carry holster for my CS45 which is with me 24/7.
One day last week, I noticed that my supply of looser fitting shirts was all in the laundry so I grabbed the smartcarry. It always has been very comfortable but sometimes when I sit for long periods the muzzle of the 45 sorts pokes me in a tender spot and I get uncomfortable. That and the little 'roll' of my middle sorta makes gun access a little tough while sitting (other body shapes probably won't have this problem until they get old and flabby like me!).
Well, I decided to shift the Smartcarry to the right so that the gun is at about the 2-3 oclock position. VIOLA ! Now the gun is at the position I normally carry with my IWB, doesn't poke me, and is easier to get at - no flab there! Positioning it this way is extremely comfortable. The mfg suggests that you carry it low, below the belt line in front, it works at the side too when deep concealment is wanted. Wear the 'belt' a little tighter and higher and the butt of the gun is above your belt just like a normal IWB for quicker access. Going somewhere where the butt of the gun above the belt might be inconvenient?-- just push it down below the belt.
You can either tuck your shirt behind it like a normal IWB or over it like a tuckable IWB and since it's suspended by it's own 'belt' there is no belt clip to limit the depth of the 'tuck'. AND being made of padded cloth, it's extremely comfortable and soft. It also has a second pocket for your mag which 99% of the leather/kydex IWB don't have. When you walk, the weight of the gun is supported by the 'belt' of the holster around your waist and the gun is not weighing down your pants or belt as with a normal IWB. AND as another benefit, when you use the 'throne', your gun doesn't hit the floor, sit in your pants or have to be otherwise removed. So front wise it's good, side mount is better - for me anyway. ..........................
It comes with a 60 day money back trial.
No, I'm not a salesman for the company. It's just that I have a box of holsters and was amazed what a little experimenting could accomplish. Maybe this method might help someone solve a problem with their carry.
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Sent to Charlie Parrott - owner of Smartcarry:
I've had a Smartcarry for a while now and use it when an IWB is a little tough to use, like under a tight shirt. I use an IWB tuckable from Tucker and really love it. It's my main carry holster for my CS45 which is with me 24/7.
One day last week, I noticed that my supply of looser fitting shirts was all in the laundry so I grabbed the smartcarry. It always has been very comfortable but sometimes when I sit for long periods the muzzle of the 45 sorts pokes me in a tender spot and I get uncomfortable. That and the little 'roll' of my middle sorta makes gun access a little tough while sitting (other body shapes probably won't have this problem until they get old and flabby like me!).
Well, I decided to shift the Smartcarry to the right so that the gun is at about the 2-3 oclock position. VIOLA ! Now the gun is at the position I normally carry with my IWB, doesn't poke me, and is easier to get at - no flab there! Positioning it this way is extremely comfortable. The mfg suggests that you carry it low, below the belt line in front, it works at the side too when deep concealment is wanted. Wear the 'belt' a little tighter and higher and the butt of the gun is above your belt just like a normal IWB for quicker access. Going somewhere where the butt of the gun above the belt might be inconvenient?-- just push it down below the belt.
You can either tuck your shirt behind it like a normal IWB or over it like a tuckable IWB and since it's suspended by it's own 'belt' there is no belt clip to limit the depth of the 'tuck'. AND being made of padded cloth, it's extremely comfortable and soft. It also has a second pocket for your mag which 99% of the leather/kydex IWB don't have. When you walk, the weight of the gun is supported by the 'belt' of the holster around your waist and the gun is not weighing down your pants or belt as with a normal IWB. AND as another benefit, when you use the 'throne', your gun doesn't hit the floor, sit in your pants or have to be otherwise removed. So front wise it's good, side mount is better - for me anyway. ..........................
It comes with a 60 day money back trial.
No, I'm not a salesman for the company. It's just that I have a box of holsters and was amazed what a little experimenting could accomplish. Maybe this method might help someone solve a problem with their carry.
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Amish_Bill
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I'm starting to think that maybe i do want one of these SmartCarry beasts.... I guess I need to figure out what I want to carry first...
Amish Bill
While my CS45 is my main carry, I've carried my SW66 (K Frame), my SW380 (pocket sized), my Taurus snubby 38 (j frame) and this is in a SMALL Smartcarry - there's two sizes larger than that.
GO to www.smartcarry.com and read the MANY user letters. They'll open your eyes as to who uses it with what.
While my CS45 is my main carry, I've carried my SW66 (K Frame), my SW380 (pocket sized), my Taurus snubby 38 (j frame) and this is in a SMALL Smartcarry - there's two sizes larger than that.
GO to www.smartcarry.com and read the MANY user letters. They'll open your eyes as to who uses it with what.
Amish_Bill
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Df - my options span from the Beretta 21a to the Para P14.
Most of the problem will be figuring out just how much gun I think I can hide with my shape & current clothing.
Most of the problem will be figuring out just how much gun I think I can hide with my shape & current clothing.
P95Carry
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If you go to the site Bill - you'll find that Charlie has worn his for 12 years with a full size 1911 and never been made.
Amish_Bill
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XavierBreath
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Shake,
My thinking is that if you are concerned about being made at work more than any other place, there must be a reason! ;-) Eventhough your AG is behind you, you do not want to be ostracized, stigmatized, and you don't want your boss to start looking for a reason to get rid of you because of his or her anti-gun stance. Prejudice takes many forms and results in more job terminations than poor performance. If you have to resort to legalities to keep your job, you can expect to have your performance scutinized to such an extent that you cannot suceed. It isn't the was it should be, but it is often the way it is.
SmartCarry holsters will work, especially with a smaller handgun. It's secure, reasonably comfortable and on your person. I do not recommend carrying a gun off your body at all. You must stay in control of it so you can keep it concealed. Remember that a CCW holders actions often say "gun" more than the gun does. If you are constantly having to insure it is covered, you will arouse suspicion.
Best regards,
X
My thinking is that if you are concerned about being made at work more than any other place, there must be a reason! ;-) Eventhough your AG is behind you, you do not want to be ostracized, stigmatized, and you don't want your boss to start looking for a reason to get rid of you because of his or her anti-gun stance. Prejudice takes many forms and results in more job terminations than poor performance. If you have to resort to legalities to keep your job, you can expect to have your performance scutinized to such an extent that you cannot suceed. It isn't the was it should be, but it is often the way it is.
SmartCarry holsters will work, especially with a smaller handgun. It's secure, reasonably comfortable and on your person. I do not recommend carrying a gun off your body at all. You must stay in control of it so you can keep it concealed. Remember that a CCW holders actions often say "gun" more than the gun does. If you are constantly having to insure it is covered, you will arouse suspicion.
Best regards,
X
obiwan1
Member
Kel Tec P11 in pocket holster or SmartCarry. I prefer pocket holster. It's natural for a guy to walk around with hands in pockets. To draw from that position is fast and natural. It worked for me for years before I became a LEO. Back in those days, it was a PPK or Chiefs Spec in a pocket holster. Nobody knew. Just choose a good one.
It worked for me for years before I became a LEO. Back in those days, it was a PPK or Chiefs Spec in a pocket holster. Nobody knew. Just choose a good one.Shake,
I have many of the same concerns for many of the same reasons as you have. I have been carrying daily for years now. I have several modes of carry that work for me. Although I still ocassionally carry a larger firearm in a shoulder holster under a coat, shirt, or vest, the following options are what I have used everyday in a work environment where ABSOLUTE CONCEALMENT is a ABOSOLUTE MUST. I would never carry off body unless I had a FOOLPROOF lock system in place (which usually means hard to get when you need it)
1. I have never used Smartcarry, although I think it is a great deal. I have carried a Kahr K9 and a Keltec P11 in a regular elastic waistband holster. I wore these guns in a cross draw configuration about where the pleats on the dockers are on my off hand side. I kept the waistband holster so that the grip of the gun lay directly under my dress belt . I tucked my dress shirt OVER the gun. In this position, all I had to do to draw the gun was unbutton one button on my dress shirt just above the belt line, then reach through the shirt to grab the butt of the gun from my waistband. You can use the same carry with a polo shirt, but you have to pull the shirt out of your pants to draw the gun. I ALWAYS wore button up dress shirts when I carried this way. Even when being hugged, NOONE (not even my wife) ever noticed I was carrying. I live in a hot and humid climate and this type carry always meant cleaning sweat of the gun almost daily in the summer time. So I stopped carrying that way.
2. I have decided that since the 32 ACP has 67% one shot stops (compared to 68% for 38 snubnose and 70% for 380). (Please lets not get into the Marhall/Fackler debate. I am fully aware of all the limitations of such surveys and averages.) I have since decided to carry a NAA 32 ACP everyday. I can fire 3 shots on target as fast as I can 1 from a +P 9mm in a compact lightweight gun. I am convinced enough that 3 32 ACP silvertips will be as effective on target as 1 +P 9mm that I carry only a 32ACP 95% of the time. This choice also alows me to much better carry options since the little 32's like the NAA, Seecamp, Keltec, and Autauga can be easily carried in a number of ways. (I can also carry four 10 round mags in a wallet in my back pocket. Try that with a 9mm or 380.)
I made a simple pouch (or wallet) for front pocket carry made from vinyl material. It is about the size of a check book. It is intentionally 2" longer than the gun so that while standing it "prints" like a checkbook or wallet in my front pocket. When I am sitting, the extra length of the little pouch folds over the top of the gun covering the butt and keeping it in place. The extra length also keeps perspiration off the gun 100% even in the long, hot, sticky summers that we have around here. The little wallet works perfect for back pocket carry as well. I putt a little leather "block" inside the wallet to fill out the "L" shape made by the gun. This way it never "prints" like a gun even when sitting and the little filler block also keeps the gun veritcal in the pocket so that it is always in position to be drawn straight out the top of the pocket.
Lately, I have switched to the hide in plain sight option and have been using it daily for about the last 6 months. I bought a little belt pouch like they sell at OfficeMax for digital cameras (the smallest size.) The pouch has a fully zippered compartment for the camera (or PDA) and an exterior pocket with a velcro flap that is just the perfect size for my cell phone. I carry my cell phone in the outside pockect and noone ever gives a second thought to what is in the pouch. It is convenient for standing, sitting, riding in the car, everywhere. I have never caught one person staring at the pouch in a suspicious way and NOONE has ever inquired about it. Everyone just assumes it is my cell phone. I have seen similar pouches made specifically for gun carry, but they usually don't have the exterior pocket for the cell phone. The cell phone pocket is a must for me because that is what TOTALLY "sells" this as a normal inconspicuous item.
I hope this is helpful. All these options have advantages and disadvantages, but one or the other gets me through every situation I have ever encountered and allows me to carry everyday no matter how I am dressed, where I am going, or what the weather is.
Roll Tide
I have many of the same concerns for many of the same reasons as you have. I have been carrying daily for years now. I have several modes of carry that work for me. Although I still ocassionally carry a larger firearm in a shoulder holster under a coat, shirt, or vest, the following options are what I have used everyday in a work environment where ABSOLUTE CONCEALMENT is a ABOSOLUTE MUST. I would never carry off body unless I had a FOOLPROOF lock system in place (which usually means hard to get when you need it)
1. I have never used Smartcarry, although I think it is a great deal. I have carried a Kahr K9 and a Keltec P11 in a regular elastic waistband holster. I wore these guns in a cross draw configuration about where the pleats on the dockers are on my off hand side. I kept the waistband holster so that the grip of the gun lay directly under my dress belt . I tucked my dress shirt OVER the gun. In this position, all I had to do to draw the gun was unbutton one button on my dress shirt just above the belt line, then reach through the shirt to grab the butt of the gun from my waistband. You can use the same carry with a polo shirt, but you have to pull the shirt out of your pants to draw the gun. I ALWAYS wore button up dress shirts when I carried this way. Even when being hugged, NOONE (not even my wife) ever noticed I was carrying. I live in a hot and humid climate and this type carry always meant cleaning sweat of the gun almost daily in the summer time. So I stopped carrying that way.
2. I have decided that since the 32 ACP has 67% one shot stops (compared to 68% for 38 snubnose and 70% for 380). (Please lets not get into the Marhall/Fackler debate. I am fully aware of all the limitations of such surveys and averages.) I have since decided to carry a NAA 32 ACP everyday. I can fire 3 shots on target as fast as I can 1 from a +P 9mm in a compact lightweight gun. I am convinced enough that 3 32 ACP silvertips will be as effective on target as 1 +P 9mm that I carry only a 32ACP 95% of the time. This choice also alows me to much better carry options since the little 32's like the NAA, Seecamp, Keltec, and Autauga can be easily carried in a number of ways. (I can also carry four 10 round mags in a wallet in my back pocket. Try that with a 9mm or 380.)
I made a simple pouch (or wallet) for front pocket carry made from vinyl material. It is about the size of a check book. It is intentionally 2" longer than the gun so that while standing it "prints" like a checkbook or wallet in my front pocket. When I am sitting, the extra length of the little pouch folds over the top of the gun covering the butt and keeping it in place. The extra length also keeps perspiration off the gun 100% even in the long, hot, sticky summers that we have around here. The little wallet works perfect for back pocket carry as well. I putt a little leather "block" inside the wallet to fill out the "L" shape made by the gun. This way it never "prints" like a gun even when sitting and the little filler block also keeps the gun veritcal in the pocket so that it is always in position to be drawn straight out the top of the pocket.
Lately, I have switched to the hide in plain sight option and have been using it daily for about the last 6 months. I bought a little belt pouch like they sell at OfficeMax for digital cameras (the smallest size.) The pouch has a fully zippered compartment for the camera (or PDA) and an exterior pocket with a velcro flap that is just the perfect size for my cell phone. I carry my cell phone in the outside pockect and noone ever gives a second thought to what is in the pouch. It is convenient for standing, sitting, riding in the car, everywhere. I have never caught one person staring at the pouch in a suspicious way and NOONE has ever inquired about it. Everyone just assumes it is my cell phone. I have seen similar pouches made specifically for gun carry, but they usually don't have the exterior pocket for the cell phone. The cell phone pocket is a must for me because that is what TOTALLY "sells" this as a normal inconspicuous item.
I hope this is helpful. All these options have advantages and disadvantages, but one or the other gets me through every situation I have ever encountered and allows me to carry everyday no matter how I am dressed, where I am going, or what the weather is.
Roll Tide
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Roll Tide - thx for that detailed resumé. Yet more very useful info to add to the THR ''info mine''!!
I particularly like your thinking re the ''camera pouch'' with cell phone pocket etc .. could be one of the most ideal ''hide in plain view'' .. and I shall add that to my ''consideration list''.
The pocket pouch also .... like that.
I particularly like your thinking re the ''camera pouch'' with cell phone pocket etc .. could be one of the most ideal ''hide in plain view'' .. and I shall add that to my ''consideration list''.
The pocket pouch also .... like that.
XavierBreath,
I totally agree with what you say. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. While I may be on solid ground legally, I understand the implications should I be caught. Thank you for your advice. . .
rolltide,
Thank you for the valuable information. I'll definitly look into something like your digicam bag.
Shake
I totally agree with what you say. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. While I may be on solid ground legally, I understand the implications should I be caught. Thank you for your advice. . .
rolltide,
Thank you for the valuable information. I'll definitly look into something like your digicam bag.
Shake
ksnecktieman
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rolltide? Can you post some pictures please? Or email them to me?
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concealing in plain sight
if you want something that's actually fitted for a gun, consider this
That's the EZ Rider from DeSantis. Expensive imho, but maybe you can find them on ebay or discount somwhere.
http://www.desantisholster.com/n30.html
if you want something that's actually fitted for a gun, consider this
That's the EZ Rider from DeSantis. Expensive imho, but maybe you can find them on ebay or discount somwhere.
http://www.desantisholster.com/n30.html
sturmruger
Member
I have used a daytimer concealment rig for some time. It is easy to lug around and is functional as a daytimer if I want. You can't find anything that is as easy as this. I like it because it is as comfortable as it gets. You don't have to stick anything down your pants which is nice. I would order one, I think most of the major holster manufacturers make daytimers as well.
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