Concealed Carry Permit OR NOT?

[Tomcat47]

The general discussion on Concealed Carry and all that goes with it has led me to a couple of questions for The High Road and the vast knowledge that lies within it....

1. Some have claimed that if you have a CCP and you enter an establishment that does not allow it, and you are caught you are now a felon! Therefore your firearms ownership is over.

2. If the same above happens and you have no CCP, and you are caught, you have only committed a misdemeanor offense. (this may be a state to state thing?)

This has been one of those pros and cons of having a concealed weapons permit.

 

[Justin]

Without very specific details, such as the location in which one is carrying, this discussion won't be useful, because the laws vary from state to state (and even sometimes county to county.)

 

[Car Knocker]

Laws, of course, vary from state to state, but carrying in a prohibited location with a CCW is not always a felony and carrying without a CCW in a prohibited place is not always a misdemeanor. Anybody who carries, with or without a CCW, would be prudent to familiarize himself with all applicable laws in his state, county, city, etc.

 

[Tomcat47]

I was afraid of that too... However it seems that from an overview of the two states I have looked at NC & SC. The permit is so limiteed that it is like it sets you up to be a criminal.

Just by everyday mundane activities you would really have to actually plan all your trips to avoid such establishments as banks, federal buildings, shools, etc. or you could be a felon.

I also think that a CCP should be same for all 50 states.

But anyway, maybe I can gain some pros of a CCP. I just do not see it yet.
I still carry however, and I am also uncertain about SC law. It reads for vehicle carry that firearm should be in a closed glove compartment, console, or trunk. The handgun may be loaded.
But if stopped by law enforcement can it be construed as a concealed weapon? and without a CCP....what then?

 

[RNB65]

1. Some have claimed that if you have a CCP and you enter an establishment that does not allow it, and you are caught you are now a felon! Therefore your firearms ownership is over.

Check the law in your state.

In VA it would be, at worst, a misdemeanor trespassing charge.

 

[SteelyNirvana]

I have yet to get my CCL but I have a question that has always been in the back of my mind. Lets say you have a CCL, you go to the ABC store or bank where guns are a definite no-no. Its about to close,you rush in and forget to leave your weapon in your car. You are standing in line and a gang of BG's storm in with gun's drawn. Things get nasty(Insert your own scenario here) and you draw and fire on a BG, saving an innocent person's life. Would you still get charged with Carrying in a posted place?

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I also think that a CCP should be same for all 50 states.

I don't. Why would I want to be subjected to the more restrictive laws of other states?

Things get nasty(Insert your own scenario here) and you draw and fire on a BG, saving an innocent person's life. Would you still get charged with Carrying in a posted place?

That would depend on the prosecutor in your locale. They commonly have the option to decline to press charges. Then again, they could throw the book at you. You would probably be likely to lose your permit in any case.

 

[ZMP_CTR]

This site is very useful.

http://www.packing.org/

 

[Cannonball888]

As others stated it varies by state.
In Florida:
1) the establishment must post a property sign stating "no weapons allowed".
2) Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a third degree felony.

 

[Technosavant]

One other thing:

1) With a permit, using your firearm in defense of your life is a textbook case for CCW laws.
2) Without a permit, the same situation will likely land you in jail (even if a fully justified shoot), and can conceivably get you charged with 1st degree murder (if unlicensed CCW is a felony, and there is a statute regarding deaths in the commission of a felony = 1st degree murder).

MO has a fantastic CCW law. Sure, it's not as good as VT or AK, but it's better than most. Here, having the permit is far better than not.

 

[Mannix]

The posting by the employer, owner, or person in legal possession or control of a sign stating "No Concealable Weapons Allowed" shall constitute notice to a person holding a permit issued pursuant to this article that the employer, owner, or person in legal possession or control requests that concealable weapons not be brought upon the premises or into the work place. A person who brings a concealable weapon onto the premises or work place in violation of the provisions of this paragraph may be charged with a violation of Section 16-11-620. In addition to the penalties provided in Section 16-11-620, a person convicted of a second or subsequent violation of the provisions of this paragraph must have his permit revoked for a period of one year. The prohibition contained in this section does not apply to persons specified in Section 16-23-20, item (1).

Now for section 16-11-620:

SECTION 16-11-620. Entering premises after warning or refusing to leave on request; jurisdiction and enforcement.

Any person who, without legal cause or good excuse, enters into the dwelling house, place of business, or on the premises of another person after having been warned not to do so or any person who, having entered into the dwelling house, place of business, or on the premises of another person without having been warned fails and refuses, without good cause or good excuse, to leave immediately upon being ordered or requested to do so by the person in possession or his agent or representative shall, on conviction, be fined not more than two hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

All municipal courts of this State as well as those of magistrates may try and determine criminal cases involving violations of this section occurring within the respective limits of such municipalities and magisterial districts. All peace officers of the State and its subdivisions shall enforce the provisions hereof within their respective jurisdictions.

The provisions of this section shall be construed as being in addition to, and not as superseding, any other statutes of the State relating to trespass or entry on lands of another.

So max you can get fined $200 and thrown in the klink for 30 days. It would be considered a misdemeanor. On the second offense your permit gets revoked for a year, period.

The quotes were taken directly from http://www.scstatehouse.net/ , however my interpretation of the law is worth what you paid for it.

 

[czbegenner]

Well i live in Louisiana and i still think its ok to have a chp(concealed handgun
permit) Yes we know the basic court house,federal bulding etc.But here they
have a law about car jacking called"shoot the car jacker" that you can shoot
him,if key words"I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE" You know your car is an exten of your house.For now i carry my CHP everywhere i go,and for now my ( WEAPON ) also goes into the grocery store,in the mall unless its posted,or i am in uniform.then i carry it because its part of my uniform.But i still say its worth having just because you can never tell what situation will arise.

 

[Tomcat47]

Thanks for that info Mannix! That was helpul regarding SC.

It is a shame gun ownership has come to this, and then it is not in some ways.

All comments are appreciated! That is why THR is so cool! Help, Answers, & Suggestions...only a click away!

 

[scurtis_34471]

No Weapons signs have no legal weight to speak of in Florida. Its only trespassing if someone notices that you are carrying and you refuse to leave when asked.

 

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