sturmgewehr
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I've spoken to Frank Caiazza, the manager at GNG and this story is absolutely true. 1.5 months ago the ATF requested a copy of their bound book and they respectfully declined. The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story.
I've spoken to Frank Caiazza, the manager at GNG and this story is absolutely true. 1.5 months ago the ATF requested a copy of their bound book and they respectfully declined. The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story.
I've spoken to Frank Caiazza, the manager at GNG and this story is absolutely true. 1.5 months ago the ATF requested a copy of their bound book and they respectfully declined. The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story.
Anyone interested should look into state nullification.
Most people don't have the luxury of walking away from their job any time their superior makes a request that they don't agree with.If the ATF examiner didn't agree with his superior's request to ask for a photo copy of the FFLs records, then you should ask yourself, why and you should wonder why the request was made in spite of this.
Most people don't have the luxury of walking away from their job any time their superior makes a request that they don't agree with.
Is this how you try to recover after being wrong? Insist that it wasn't actually a "confrontation" implying that the article was incredible after all. That's pretty thin. The article was true. You called it wrong. I'm back to say I told you so."The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story."
Thanks for the update. I'm pleased the situation wasn't a confrontation.
The ATF is free to ask for anything they like. Just because they aren't entitled to something doesn't mean they can't ask for it. It never hurts to ask as long as you don't get upset if you don't like the (legal) answer.
Since that "data" is often out of date within months of being put on the 4473, I mean, who cares if someone steals a 20 year old hand written address list?I always worry about the information that I give to FFLs since it is very easy for them to loose control of it through lawful or unlawful means.
I never include my SS on these transfer forms since a hard copy is maintaned on their premises for ...what 20 years? What happens to this infiormation if the FFL gets hit by a truck tomarrow or one of their employees steals the data?
I think the law provides that no information obtained by the Feds in the background check is supposed to be kept on file for any reason; right?
The ATF breaks the gun laws during Operation Fast and Furious, but as yet, no one is held accountable....
Why is that?
Not very many members of THR are in love with BATFE. Don't confuse my (and others) distrust of Examiner articles with not being outraged at the actions of the ATF. In this case the Examiner article is just another alarmist, drama filled retelling of a rather mundane incident between ATF and a gun store. This is in keeping with past panic stricken Examiner articles based on old "news".Jolly Rogers ....The bashing of the source of the report instead of outrage at the BATFE attempt at subverting the law of the land is amazing....
sturmgewehr I've spoken to Frank Caiazza, the manager at GNG and this story is absolutely true. 1.5 months ago the ATF requested a copy of their bound book and they respectfully declined. The ATF let it rest there (so far), end of story.
Uh, what law allows GNG to deny 4473's for ATF to examine?wwace Swung by GNG today. This is what I was told by the owner.
The BATF was doing an audit to match all the firearm inventory paperwork to what they had listed in their computers of all their stock and what had been sold apparently. Everything matched exactly and at some point the ATF asked for the last 5 months of 4473's at which point they declined to do so according to the law.