Contacted by BATFE today!! *Update*

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he had to go that route because he listened to folks like you.
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No he actually made that decision before he ever posted.

But hey, I'm going to follow my own advice, If you want to be a sheep go for it. If James Duane and Associate Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson can't convince you I never will.
 
well, since you listened to the tin-foil hat crowd on here, now you really do have to go through the hassle of getting a lawyer. If you just showed the agents your guns, you wouldn't be bothered by them anymore. All this would have passed now.
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And you know this HOW?

Oh yeah, you DON'T.

As I said, when I see somebody repeatedly give somebody "advice" which they KNOW to be wrong, it really starts to look like malice.
 
well, since you listened to the tin-foil hat crowd on here, now you really do have to go through the hassle of getting a lawyer.
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Here's the original post from the first thread. Please note that the OP made his own decision to protect himself before anyone on THR ever knew what was going on.

Contacted by BATFE today.

I Had all the doors and windows open in the house today as I usually do on summer days like this, and i hear my full name called, so I go to the door and there are two gentlemen in polo shirts and jeans standing just outside the front door.

They introduced them selves as Special Agent bla bla and Special Agent somthingorother, we are with the ATF.

ATF: We would like to talk to you about some guns you bought, a 9mm your wife purchased and two .45s. Do you still have these?

Me: What is this investigation about?

ATF: we have been checking on multiple firearms purchases with all the guns going to Mexico these days, Can we take a look at these guns?

ME: I will have to speak to my lawyer. do you have a card?

ATF: We're just trying to make sure these guns aren't going to Mexico and keep more gun control laws from being passed

I asked where they were from, they said Oklahoma and North Carolina, so they ain't Texas folk.

They had copies of the 4473s from where I bought them, but what I want to know is how this came up. the pistols were all purchased separately over a three day period, (so no multiple firearms form)so are they just going FFL to FFL looking for x number of guns in x amount of days?

I feel like my house just got cased

Note: AFAIK I have not broken any laws.
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The ATF was on his property to see if there was enough evidence to warrant an investigation. IOW, they were looking for evidence a crime had been committed and our OP was a suspect. tell me again why he shouldn't protect himself in that situation?
 
This thread is done anyway.

OP followed his gut on this apparently
and is perfectly with-in his rights to seek legal council
BEFORE talking with the F Troop any further.

If this situation presents itself to me, I will do as 99% of the other
smart law abiding citizens posting in this thread have advised in this type situation.
(As well as every legal scholar in the land)...

After all the F troop doesn't have such a good track
record of being an upstanding
enforcement agency to begin with.
Quite frankly, I don't see why it's still in existence.
Didn't that whole prohibition thing end a long time ago? lol
 
Exactly. No cop is going to come by your house and ask to look around if all he wants to do is drink tea and eat finger sandwiches. In this case, one of the agents came from over 1,000 miles away. The reason for any contact like this is to see if the person warrants further investigation. Of course they are looking for evidence, it is their job.

While showing them what they ask to see, you may inadvertently show them something that you have that is illegal. For example, that nifty rifle that you have violates 922(r). They now have PC for a cool tactical exercise.
 
get over it, you think every fed out there wants to waste their time putting all Americans in jail.
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EVERY fed and ALL Americans? Doubtful.

SOME feds and SOME Americans? To a certainty.

THESE feds and THAT American? Nobody knows except THOSE feds.

The SENSIBLE response is to engage competent legal counsel and let somebody who knows what he's doing figure it out.

YOUR advice is "Insh Allah!". A friend once told me that's a lousy pre-flight check for an airplane. It's not much better as a legal strategy for the subject of a criminal investigation.

If Heath Ledger as the Joker were giving out legal advice, he'd sound a lot like you. You seem not to care what happens to the OP as long as there's a high potential for disaster. Anybody tempted to take your legal advice should remind themselves that schadenfreude isn't a German psychoanalyst.
 
The SENSIBLE response is to engage competent legal counsel and let somebody who knows what he's doing figure it out.

The SENSIBLE advice is to avoid listening to folks like yourself. Tin foil hats are not one size fits all. What's next, calling a lawyer to ask if it's ok to tie your shoes?

YOUR advice is "Insh Allah!". A friend once told me that's a lousy pre-flight check for an airplane. It's not much better as a legal strategy for the subject of a criminal investigation. So thinking for oneself rather than listening to a bunch of conspiracy theorists is bad? Uhhh, must be the new thing nowadays.

If Heath Ledger as the Joker were giving out legal advice, he'd sound a lot like you. You seem not to care what happens to the OP as long as there's a high potential for disaster. Anybody tempted to take your legal advice should remind themselves that schadenfreude isn't a German psychoanalyst. yeah let's listen to you, another one in a long line of conspiracy theorists who think "the man" is after Joe Blow citizen. While you are sitting in your basement, terrified about "the man" knocking on your door, the rest of us will be happily enjoying life.:)
 
A statement from the NRA ILA:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4990


In Border States, BATFE Asks: "May We See Your Guns?"

Friday, June 19, 2009

NRA-ILA has recently received several calls from NRA members in border states who have been visited or called by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. In some cases, agents have asked to enter these people's homes, and requested serial numbers of all firearms the members possess.

In each case, the agents were making inquiries based on the number of firearms these NRA members had recently bought, and in some cases the agents said they were asking because the members had bought types of guns that are frequently recovered in Mexico.

This kind of questioning may or may not be part of a legitimate criminal investigation. For example, when BATFE traces a gun seized after use in a crime, manufacturers' and dealers' records will normally lead to the first retail buyer of that gun, and investigators will have to interview the buyer to find out how the gun ended up in criminal hands. But in other cases, the questioning may simply be based on information in dealers' records, with agents trying to "profile" potentially suspicious purchases.

On the other hand, some of the agents have used heavy-handed tactics. One reportedly demanded that a gun owner return home early from a business trip, while another threatened to "report" an NRA member as "refusing to cooperate." That kind of behavior is outrageous and unprofessional.

Whether agents act appropriately or not, concerned gun owners should remember that all constitutional protections apply. Answering questions in this type of investigation is generally an individual choice. Most importantly, there are only a few relatively rare exceptions to the general Fourth Amendment requirement that law enforcement officials need a warrant to enter a home without the residents' consent. There is nothing wrong with politely, but firmly, asserting your rights.

If BATFE contacts you and you have any question about how to respond, you may want to consult a local attorney. NRA members may also call NRA-ILA's Office of Legislative Counsel at (703) 267-1161 for further information. Whether contacting a local attorney or NRA, be sure to provide as many details as possible, including the date, time, and location, agent's name, and specific questions asked.
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It puts you on a list to be submitted to the government for a 'random' search for illegal weapons....

kidding of course.... unless..... no, serious.... I think.....

It's regarding the BATFE searching for guns being straw purchased to be sent to Mexico... hence, the BATFE is going "a house at a time" searching for illegal guns/purchasers....
 
I thought it was the BofATFandE and other alphabet-soup beurocracies who were sending all these 'guns' to Mexico in the first place.


Gets confusing.


Old Uncle Scam sure likes playing 'Hide the Salami'...


Yeeeeeeesh...
 
It might be old news but it's wonderful opportunity to spread some truth via the comments section of the article
 
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