Cruise ships, guns, and pirates?

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Maybe if the cruise ship slowed down so they could get along side for the passingers to give them all coctails with all the empty bottles on board, the sharks would have a meal on the ones that did'nt burn.
 
Or, you could disregard how many pirates they were or how well they were armed because of:
A) Your ship is a large, stable, cruise ship. Great firing platform, you can probably hit a pirate at 600 meters with a good rifle.

B) Pirates suck. Pirate ships are also unstable, small, light platforms. Avotamat Kalashnikov's aren't extremely accurate weapons either. If they intentionally hit a person at more than 50m, it would be impressive.

C) RPG's aren't extremely accurate. They were designed to be used <100m. Granted, a cruise ship is quite alot bigger than any tank, but at extended ranges when the cruise ship is in motion... aim for the guy with the RPG first.
 
Fact is, a cruise ship is far out of the league of most pirates. Even if they catch it, how are they going to board it? These ships have their open decks at least 50-60 feet above the waterline. They're not like tankers that ride low and have fairly accessible decks that they could sling a grappling hook on. And even an RPG would do fairly little damage to a ship of that size. A cruise ship was hit with an RPG once. It blew out a cabin window, but did no significant damage.

A cruise ship is too large, too tall, too fast, and too long-ranged to really be a viable target. They're trying to bite off way more than they can chew. Unless a captain is stupid and actually surrenders, or they get an extremely lucky 1 in a million shot with an RPG, they're never going to catch one. Liners and cruise ships were a difficult target even in World War II for navies with proper weapons. You can imagine how unlikely it would be for a pirate to get one.
 
I would think 2-5 shooters could repell a pirate attack, they have the stable high ground. Blackwater is marking theirself to shipping companies now for pirate protection.
 
I don't know the logistics of how they board the ships, but I understand that once they are aboard, your CCW is useless, as you are looking at dozens of AK or better armed men to deal with.

I checked into it before my cruise a couple summers ago, and the story is basically this: There is airport type security on the way onto the boat. Even if you did get a gun on board, taking it with you to any port of call and then getting caught with it would put you in DEEP ****; i.e. you would probably spend the rest of your life in foreign prison.

Overall, my impression was that if you can't live without your gun on a cruise ship, don't get on the ship.

I probably wouldn't get on one that was going to Somalia anyway.
 
I don't know the logistics of how they board the ships, but I understand that once they are aboard, your CCW is useless, as you are looking at dozens of AK or better armed men to deal with.

I checked into it before my cruise a couple summers ago, and the story is basically this: There is airport type security on the way onto the boat. Even if you did get a gun on board, taking it with you to any port of call and then getting caught with it would put you in DEEP ****; i.e. you would probably spend the rest of your life in foreign prison.

Overall, my impression was that if you can't live without your gun on a cruise ship, don't get on the ship.

I probably wouldn't get on one that was going to Somalia anyway.

Ok but the question wasn't about CCW or being able to take a gun on a cruise ship, the question was what weapons the staff carry on the ship.
 
Cruise Ships

From what I have seen on the internet,cruise ships do not have any guns on board at this time.I believe because of existing Maritime laws.Seems like it's time to revamp those outdated laws.We are living in scary times.
 
You can have weapons on a private boat or yacht though, right?
Not legally in most countries. Although I believe most yachts are armed. God help them if they have to use it.
 
Those old maritime laws really need to be changed. They need to allow small arms on ALL ships. In my opinion, any large merchant vessels such as tankers or freighters should have weapons lockers, with the crew trained in their use. It's not like the old days when there was very little distinction between military and civilian vessels and the equipment available to each.
 
Just take them out with a few C-130 Gunships that can be placed, cruising the skies (or even a few drones would do).
 
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New, freshly minted cruise boat passenger here.

For us, the gravest danger was overeating and shock from receiving the bar tab.

The top deck pool area did evoke an amused response from my bride of 40 years who calmly said, 'Forget it, you counldn't handle the pressure.'

No doubt that they are different layers of security on the big boats. We didn't see any weapons but, I betcha a nickel or two that the Cruise Line has contingency plans in place that do not include surrender.

What happens on shore though, that'd be different. It does not make sense to go Tom Cat'n around in a place thats foreign to you.

salty
 
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"The ship took evasive maneuvers and accelerated to its full speed of 23 knots or 27 mph. One of the smaller craft closed to within 300 yards and fired eight rifle shots at the cruise ship, he said, but the ship was able to pull away. "
(http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...s.cruise.ship/)

How did they get away from a small vessle at 27MPH? Were the pirates using canoes?

1 knot = 1.150 mph

A cruise ship is too large, too tall, too fast, and too long-ranged to really be a viable target.

Little boats can't keep up the chase over long distances. And if you've ever seen what the Somali pirates use, they aren't much better than canoes...
 
maritime law saws commercial vessels can't be armed as far as I understand it, hence why pirates can hijack them with little problem.

Not true... It depends on the country of flag. I work on a boat that is American owned, American crew, but we sail under the Marshall Islands Flag. This is done mostly for financial reasons.

There is no "international" law regarding weapons on ships. If my COMPANY allowed it, people could bring whatever they wanted on board, including full autos, rocket launchers, etc, BUT if we did that, we would be restricted as to which ports we could "pull in" to.. Many countries don't allow ships with weapons into their ports, some do... We picked up a British security team (maybe the same one mentioned in the commercials) in Singapore.. Singapore allows shotguns in/out with boats, so we have Shotguns Aboard...

Port Suez in Egypt allows much anything through also, if we were coming back here after our job, we could have brought AK's, AR's, and RPGs on board, but our next port of call would be Singapore, so that's a no go...

The way to avoid piracy on the high sea is to be a hard target... The pirates don't want to be seen coming, if you try to run, they usually let you go. They want to be on board with a gun at the Captain's head before anyone realizes that they are there.

My ship has a roving security team, barbed wire around any grapple boarding areas, very well lit decks, security cameras everywhere, it's highly unlikely we'll even have an attempt on us.

The pirates want the tanker or cruise ship that's got one man steering and everyone else asleep, that makes an easy target. They can board with 2-3 people, take the driver and captain hostage, and then take the ship to the Somali coast to hold for ransom. They don't want a target that is likely to fight back.

So, be a hard target. You'll never have to worry about it.
 
"The ship took evasive maneuvers and accelerated to its full speed of 23 knots or 27 mph. One of the smaller craft closed to within 300 yards and fired eight rifle shots at the cruise ship, he said, but the ship was able to pull away. "
(http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa...s.cruise.ship/)

How did they get away from a small vessle at 27MPH? Were the pirates using canoes?

On the water, 27 MPH FEELS A LOT FASTER, although a cruise ship that large going that fast would almost feel like it is docked.

It seems the pirates use large rubber rafts or rubber boats with an outboard motor. If they were rough seas, the cruise ship would chop right through the rough waters and large swales, however the little boat might be about ready to capsize. I'm sure the pirates don't want to run the risk of turning their boat over. They would most likely lose their weapons and someone that had been watching would come and pick them up - possibly at gunpoint.
 
Hi,

Cruise ships passing through the gulf of aden near somalia have been targeted by somali pirates. Multinational naval forces are patrolling the high seas of somalia to thwart the pirate attacks.
 
I spent several years on a 40ft sail boat (U.S. Documented vessel) in the NW Caribbean, returning to the states about 10 years ago. For protection I had two pistols (9mm & 380), three rifles (30-06, 7.62x39 & 30 carbine) and a 12 gauge shot gun. Some countries such as Jamaica and Guatemala required that you check the weapons in while you were in port. Most others just wanted you to keep them in a locked gun locker while in port. As near as I could tell, as long as you weren’t trafficking in guns (i.e., you left with as many as you arrived with) and you protected them sufficiently from theft they really didn’t care what you had on board. The U.S. Coast Guard never even asked, but I did insure they were safely locked up when being boarded.
 
As mentioned by several earlier posters, International Maritime law

And the regulations imposed by various countries are an almost

Hopeless hodgepodge of mutual contradiction.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the consistent presence of

Well organized corruption

Among many foreign port officials, which can turn into an immediate

And very bad nightmare.

They can throw the crew into jail and impound the boat, or not.

How much money you got?

Read not too long ago about the Cap of a pretty nice big sportfish in Mexico.

American boat, American Cap.

Got himself into a little bar scuffle, and the cops found he was carrying.

He's still, as far as I know, in jail, and the boat got impounded.

After some months and I don't know how many lawyers and

How much cash, the owner got his boat back. Don't know what kind

Of shape it was in by then.

On the brighter side of things, some very bright people are into

Second, third, fourth generations of LRAD technology, extreme water

Cannons, and high intensity/point focus lighting which essentially

Temporarily blinds those exposed to it, along with extreme pain.

Cruise ships. Not likely. As someone mentioned, the pirates

Are looking at a 50-60 foot wall of steel to scale, and those little

Kicker boats they use won't handle a ladder that big.


isher
 
I spent several years on a 40ft sail boat (U.S. Documented vessel) in the NW Caribbean, returning to the states about 10 years ago.

That was pre 9/11. Since the global war on citizens, most nations are enforcing or actively supporting the laws of foreign nations. No longer will a government give you a nod and a wink and imply "as long as you don't break the law in OUR nation".
Extradition is also expanding greatly.
It wouldn't even be a stretch to see the US or a European nation arrest or extradite you to some horrible third world hell hole if they wanted you bad enough.

Times have changed. Natural inalienable rights end at your border. (They are trying to end them within the borders too, but that is another topic.) Third world tyrannical regimes and their rules are now supported through 'anti-terror' cooperation.
The US and similar nations gain some authority in such cooperation, and the third world tyrants gain powerful UN allies against anyone who tries to organize against them (once they label any opposition "terrorists" the international community will as well.)

It is a whole new ball game since 9/11.

There is members of governments and government contractors,...and then there is nobodies. If you are a nobody you are no different than the pirates, except the pirates will choose to be armed.

If you have enough money you can sometimes afford special privileges or be granted licenses, or even get people to look the other way. But of course they can also charge you for blatant bribery, a major offense most places.
 
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I'm sure most peolpe here have seen those pictures of rusty pirate Ak that still fire. With that kind of maintinence, I'm not realy worried. Yes, it will fire, but a rusty barrel, rusty rounds fired from a moving boat, I would not be worried. AKs were not persition rifles to start, and a Mogadushi maketplace knockoff of a Kyber pass knockoff of a Chinese knockoff of a Russian assault rifle isn't much good. I'd have a 50/50 mix of M1A/M14s for long range and shotguns for close-in. A few 7.62mm machine guns wouldn't hurt either.
 
This topic brings up a question. I'm going fishing on a charter boat this Saturday. Can I carry onboard? I live in Florida.
 
"This topic brings up a question. I'm going fishing on a charter boat this Saturday. Can I carry onboard? I live in Florida."

Ask the Cap. He's the boss of the boat. And thereby supercedes

In some ways, the law.

In other words, it may be legal to carry onboard in US Florida waters, depending on whether the boat is

US flag or offshore flag, and what the myriad administrivia

Of being a US citizen (or not) carrying on a charter.

Which, to be honest, I haven't a clue at that level.

But if the Cap says no, its no.

isher
 
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