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carebear
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Mematocyst,
Name one "cruise ship turns upside down and can't right itself incident." (besides The Poseidon Adventure)
Advantage, cruise ship.
On a serious note, what a horrible way to die. Makes those "in the pool" training courses seem far more worth while.
Name one "cruise ship turns upside down and can't right itself incident." (besides The Poseidon Adventure)
Advantage, cruise ship.
On a serious note, what a horrible way to die. Makes those "in the pool" training courses seem far more worth while.
OEF_VET
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For pirates an ARRRRRRRR-15 should do......
How about this:
How about this:
AStone
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carebear said:Name one "cruise ship turns upside down and can't right itself incident." (besides The Poseidon Adventure)
Advantage, cruise ship.
Have you ever seen one of those programs about people (including now at least one woman) that sailed around the world solo in a smallish sailboat? At least one of the boats, probably others (don't remember) were designed with water-tight hulls and heavy keels so that if they capsize (as in during sleeping), they won't submerge and will right themselves. (I don't think I'm dreaming that. Some of you sailboat types may know...)
OEF-Vet, for real: that AR has "safe", "fire" and "SHTF". I've never seen an AR upclose before. (Yeah, I know, don't laugh so hard; I've led a sheltered life.) What does the SHTF setting do?
Nem
A few years ago I saw a series of photos showing a tugboat caught in flooding river. The tugboat smashes into the side of a bridge... flips... sinks... next shot it POPS up out of the water on the other side of the bridgeNematocyst-870 said:
Found it: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm
It makes his photoshop program fire full auto
All cruising sailboats have obscenely heavy keels and will right themselves if capsized. It would be virtually impossible for a sailboat to remain keel-up for more than a couple of seconds. The problem is that there isnt typically much left on deck afterwards (i.e. masts and helsman). My parents' old cruiser was only 36' long but displaced about 8 tons, 4 of those tons was in the lead keel alone.
for most of the situations a light and a water hose would work
usually they are light boats, armed with machetes and or light arms
there are now ideas about either low level UAV's for keeping watch around your ship in the middle of the night
the hot wire idea is faulty, all depends how the pirates attack the ship
better options are locked bridges. and all exterior doors at night time. they usually seem to be attacking mostly at night.
motion sensor lights. people on deck cause alarms and lights on, aware crew is a safe crew,
the three most likely and active spot are coast of somalia, coast of vietnam and malacca straights the tamil tigers and the FARC as well as islamic groups in indonesia seem to be involved as well as national interests of the PRC are involved.
In non commercial piracy situations, where personal yachts are stolen, the best counter weapons seem to be shotguns with buck shot alternating with slugs. very rarely are these attackers in anykind of substantaial craft. buckshot to keep the attackers heads down, slugs to skip into the hull at the waterline
usually they are light boats, armed with machetes and or light arms
there are now ideas about either low level UAV's for keeping watch around your ship in the middle of the night
the hot wire idea is faulty, all depends how the pirates attack the ship
better options are locked bridges. and all exterior doors at night time. they usually seem to be attacking mostly at night.
motion sensor lights. people on deck cause alarms and lights on, aware crew is a safe crew,
the three most likely and active spot are coast of somalia, coast of vietnam and malacca straights the tamil tigers and the FARC as well as islamic groups in indonesia seem to be involved as well as national interests of the PRC are involved.
In non commercial piracy situations, where personal yachts are stolen, the best counter weapons seem to be shotguns with buck shot alternating with slugs. very rarely are these attackers in anykind of substantaial craft. buckshot to keep the attackers heads down, slugs to skip into the hull at the waterline
OEF_VET
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Nematocyst-870 said:
OEF-Vet, for real: that AR has "safe", "fire" and "SHTF". I've never seen an AR upclose before. (Yeah, I know, don't laugh so hard; I've led a sheltered life.) What does the SHTF setting do?
Nem
There was a custom AR lower group buy on Lightfighter.net this past January. The two choices were for ARRR-15 or LFT-15 model designators. The third selector position was engraved on the lowers, partly as an inside joke, and partly for those folks who are fortunate to own an RDIAS (Registered Drop-In Auto-Sear) and wanted to put it into their custom lower. The serial numbers begin with MCLMM, for Mushroom-Laying MotherF'er, MotherF'er, from Pulp Fiction.
Strings
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Looking at that lower, I'm tempted (if I can ever get ahold of a decent RDIAS) to have a custom engraving job done: SAFE, FIRE, and WHUP-A**...
If you're gonna pay for FA, might as well have some fun...
If you're gonna pay for FA, might as well have some fun...
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Arrr matey's! Tis a zombie thread fer sure!
Ghurkas sounds like a good idea, they scare bad guys with those knives alone. With a rifle or shotgun on a ship they know like the back of their hand? Bring me my brown pants! (remember that pirate joke?)
Most cruise line captains seem to be Scandanavian, and since their parents and grandparents fought the Nazi's or the Russians (or sold stuff to them if Swedish) they know not to put up with thugs and pirates. Fight 'em hard!
Why discreet, hidden security? The Achille Lauro hijacking in 1985. What a nightmare for ship captains. I bet they have quite a few surprises ready now.
I bet most Captains make plans after having a nightmare or two about that crime. Most cruise lines probably remember too, hence the layers of security, and probably a well secured and discreet gun safe full of rifles and shotguns if things get that bad. A cruise line would go broke fast from being shunned by the public and sued to heck if they bungled fighting off a pirate hijacking today. They're prepared for everything else at sea, they just hide the weapons to make sure the vacationers relax and mellow out.
True, most on this board would like to see some of these things and probably talk shop with the crew about their cool hidden toys. I bet the crew would get sick of this talk after the 50th cruise. "Awww come on let me shoot some floating trash with the Ma Deuce!.... Please? It's my vacation and I pay your salaries!"
Mix in a few Pina Coladas into the passenger and even Captain Stubing would start drinking at that kind of whining. You can play James Bond in the Casino, but not with our guns!
Arrr matey's! Tis a zombie thread fer sure!
Ghurkas sounds like a good idea, they scare bad guys with those knives alone. With a rifle or shotgun on a ship they know like the back of their hand? Bring me my brown pants! (remember that pirate joke?)
Most cruise line captains seem to be Scandanavian, and since their parents and grandparents fought the Nazi's or the Russians (or sold stuff to them if Swedish) they know not to put up with thugs and pirates. Fight 'em hard!
Why discreet, hidden security? The Achille Lauro hijacking in 1985. What a nightmare for ship captains. I bet they have quite a few surprises ready now.
I bet most Captains make plans after having a nightmare or two about that crime. Most cruise lines probably remember too, hence the layers of security, and probably a well secured and discreet gun safe full of rifles and shotguns if things get that bad. A cruise line would go broke fast from being shunned by the public and sued to heck if they bungled fighting off a pirate hijacking today. They're prepared for everything else at sea, they just hide the weapons to make sure the vacationers relax and mellow out.
True, most on this board would like to see some of these things and probably talk shop with the crew about their cool hidden toys. I bet the crew would get sick of this talk after the 50th cruise. "Awww come on let me shoot some floating trash with the Ma Deuce!.... Please? It's my vacation and I pay your salaries!"
Mix in a few Pina Coladas into the passenger and even Captain Stubing would start drinking at that kind of whining.
You can play James Bond in the Casino, but not with our guns!ZeSpectre
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For pirates? It should probably be an ARRRRRtomatic of some sort.
tinygnat219
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Nah, You'd need a Semi-AAAARRRtomatic so you're barrel doesn't overheat.
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Well the way we did on the Nimitz seemed pretty good to me.
For one, I was a CIWS (Phalanx) tech and most of the CIWS systems are not equipped to fire on surface vessels. The newer systems have FLIR tracking systems and have been modified so that they can point down, something the older modles cannot do. I've seen testing video and a short burst will pretty much desinegrate a small craft. A little bit of overkill in my opinion. And with a system like that you can only engage a few targets before you're out of ammo.
Anyway, there are 10 .50 cals mounted (5 per side) along the catwalk. That's the first line of defense. If the pirates were anywhere close when we spotted them then fixed-wing aircraft would be out of the question most likely. For one you may not be able to launch them fast enough, but even if you could the ship would likely be making evasive manuvers which would prohibit you from launching aircraft anyway.
Then there are the fire hoses. They are very effective against small craft and make it very difficult for people to actually get onto the ship.
At the same time we would be deploying a response team which would be armed with M-60's, M-14s, M-16's, Mossberg 500As and (yawn) Baretta 9mm. I never saw any swords in my day. The response team could join in the effort to repel the boarders or they could take out anyone who made it onto the ship.
Then we would be prepping a Secondary Response Team that would be larger but somewhat less well trained.
I guess that's why the pirates pretty much leave Navy ships alone.
For one, I was a CIWS (Phalanx) tech and most of the CIWS systems are not equipped to fire on surface vessels. The newer systems have FLIR tracking systems and have been modified so that they can point down, something the older modles cannot do. I've seen testing video and a short burst will pretty much desinegrate a small craft. A little bit of overkill in my opinion. And with a system like that you can only engage a few targets before you're out of ammo.
Anyway, there are 10 .50 cals mounted (5 per side) along the catwalk. That's the first line of defense. If the pirates were anywhere close when we spotted them then fixed-wing aircraft would be out of the question most likely. For one you may not be able to launch them fast enough, but even if you could the ship would likely be making evasive manuvers which would prohibit you from launching aircraft anyway.
Then there are the fire hoses. They are very effective against small craft and make it very difficult for people to actually get onto the ship.
At the same time we would be deploying a response team which would be armed with M-60's, M-14s, M-16's, Mossberg 500As and (yawn) Baretta 9mm. I never saw any swords in my day. The response team could join in the effort to repel the boarders or they could take out anyone who made it onto the ship.
Then we would be prepping a Secondary Response Team that would be larger but somewhat less well trained.
I guess that's why the pirates pretty much leave Navy ships alone.
cbsbyte
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Was it worth it bringing back this long dead and buried thread.
Ok zombie hunters, I'm going to start with a realistic approach: Pete F, I like your thinking... A predator drone would be rad, but perhaps prohibitively expensive... at least for now. Sensor lights are a no brainer! They should definitely be installed all over.
I'd imagine these cruise ships have at least one emergency rescue vessel for any shrimp cocktail stuffed drunken slob who happens to fall into the sea. This emergency vessel could be upgraded a bit into a patrol boat of sorts. With a powerful motor, some modest armor, and some small arms, this boat could manuever into a flanking position and force the pirate vessels to at least rethink their plan. If the emergency vessel is stowed descreetly, you could arm it with a mounted... say... .50 cal machine gun (or mg42 muhahaha). But lets be honest... you'd have a darn hard time sinking a regular fishing boat with a .50 cal before they reached your ship. Its like stopping a home invasion with a 22... they will die... eventually. But maybe you can scare them off before they board the cruise ship.
If the pirates position themselves right next to the cruise ship, it will be more difficult for the emergency boat to open fire. Hopefully by that time the pirates would be under fire from the cruise ship itself.
Two or three emergency boats would be exponentially more effective. While additional emergency craft may add to the expense, these boats would be incredibly useful in many other emergency situations besides piracy.
I think that firehoses are a great idea, because they are already there and they aren't going to run out of ammo. You can literally hose em down. You might as well use these while other crew members are opening fire. Hoses may well be more effective at sinking an open top vessel than a few rifles.... but would be even more effective if used in tandem with a team of shooters.
Aside from that, they should install some subtle armor plating at key points around the deck. Crew members could man these points in an emergency, while the guests wouldn't notice.
Some more fanciful ideas...
Explosive laden trained dolphins or seals could put a serious hurt on the pirates. Don't worry, I AM a serious evironmentalist... I can make jokes about that. They'd just swim up and place the explosives and then run away... or maybe just swim up and go boom! Plus you get the value added "Sea World" seal petting zoo experience for the kids while the "navy seals" are waiting for their commando mission. Ok, that's just mean... even if the military does it. Nix that idea. Plus, trained animals are probably prohibitively expensive.
Turn the cruise liner into an aircraft carrier! Get 20 or 30 on the cheap UAVs and mount stick grenades or 20 lb bombs on them. Have at least a few of them on patrol 24/ 7. While your at it, have several remote control boats laden with c4 on the patrol. Wait till the pirates attack, then swarm em until they are sunk, sunk, and sunk.
Unfortunately, if you start using some of my wierder tactics, its only a matter of time till the pirates start copying them.
Allright, thats enough for now.... I've got a few more hair brained schemes tho! But i'm not going to HIJACK (muhahahah) this thread.
I'd imagine these cruise ships have at least one emergency rescue vessel for any shrimp cocktail stuffed drunken slob who happens to fall into the sea. This emergency vessel could be upgraded a bit into a patrol boat of sorts. With a powerful motor, some modest armor, and some small arms, this boat could manuever into a flanking position and force the pirate vessels to at least rethink their plan. If the emergency vessel is stowed descreetly, you could arm it with a mounted... say... .50 cal machine gun (or mg42 muhahaha). But lets be honest... you'd have a darn hard time sinking a regular fishing boat with a .50 cal before they reached your ship. Its like stopping a home invasion with a 22... they will die... eventually. But maybe you can scare them off before they board the cruise ship.
If the pirates position themselves right next to the cruise ship, it will be more difficult for the emergency boat to open fire. Hopefully by that time the pirates would be under fire from the cruise ship itself.
Two or three emergency boats would be exponentially more effective. While additional emergency craft may add to the expense, these boats would be incredibly useful in many other emergency situations besides piracy.
I think that firehoses are a great idea, because they are already there and they aren't going to run out of ammo. You can literally hose em down. You might as well use these while other crew members are opening fire. Hoses may well be more effective at sinking an open top vessel than a few rifles.... but would be even more effective if used in tandem with a team of shooters.
Aside from that, they should install some subtle armor plating at key points around the deck. Crew members could man these points in an emergency, while the guests wouldn't notice.
Some more fanciful ideas...
Explosive laden trained dolphins or seals could put a serious hurt on the pirates. Don't worry, I AM a serious evironmentalist... I can make jokes about that. They'd just swim up and place the explosives and then run away... or maybe just swim up and go boom! Plus you get the value added "Sea World" seal petting zoo experience for the kids while the "navy seals" are waiting for their commando mission. Ok, that's just mean... even if the military does it. Nix that idea. Plus, trained animals are probably prohibitively expensive.
Turn the cruise liner into an aircraft carrier! Get 20 or 30 on the cheap UAVs and mount stick grenades or 20 lb bombs on them. Have at least a few of them on patrol 24/ 7. While your at it, have several remote control boats laden with c4 on the patrol. Wait till the pirates attack, then swarm em until they are sunk, sunk, and sunk.
Unfortunately, if you start using some of my wierder tactics, its only a matter of time till the pirates start copying them.
Allright, thats enough for now.... I've got a few more hair brained schemes tho! But i'm not going to HIJACK (muhahahah) this thread.
CK
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For pirate? bb gun.
Defending against pirate? Flame thrower.
Defending against pirate? Flame thrower.
p35
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The old Molotov cocktail is easy to improvise and would be a nasty thing to have tossed into a small boat from the rail of a larger one...
Re-issue letters of Marque and allow privately owned privateers handle the issue for a bounty.
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knowing jack about boats makes me think it might be a good start
and I would think given the threat .50 or maybe 20mm is plenty of gun for the job.
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knowing jack about boats makes me think it might be a good start
and I would think given the threat .50 or maybe 20mm is plenty of gun for the job.
glocktoberfest
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I hope thers's a cup holder on the Quad , wouldn't want to spill my "drink of the day "
I think a metal storm system would make a viable option, having no moving parts aside from the bullets themselves, theyd be easy to hide from the public eye or within some decoration. These systems arent in use anywhere to my knowledge yet but I would think that this type of thing might be an ideal application.
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I saw an Indian vessel sink a Tamil boat running arms with a MK19 40mm. Probably it was all the mortar shells and whatnot on the inside that really dun-em-in, but I was in awe of the power of the MK19.
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I think that a good security force of about 15-20 well trained individuals armed with handguns and long guns such as HK's and/or M-14's AND allowing passengers who have a CCW and/or that are well trained (i.e. law enforcement, military, etc.) would be sufficient.
Dumping hot oil and/or pitch on them and setting them on fire would be good too!
Dumping hot oil and/or pitch on them and setting them on fire would be good too!
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