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Can anyone advise what the FBI’s current issue 9mm ammo is? Watched a TV show that mentioned it without specifics where they noted it was a much more effective round than we all used 25 years ago...
Can anyone advise what the FBI’s current issue 9mm ammo is? Watched a TV show that mentioned it without specifics where they noted it was a much more effective round than we all used 25 years ago...
What load was the FBI using 25 years ago? Maybe this fella would know?
Probably something with a silver bullet...
Aside from a casual referential perspective - and acknowledging that even a blind pig finds a truffle now and again - I think the FBI has seriously eroded their credibility in most anything side-arm related these past 30 or so years.
I'm almost inclined to actually view their decisions with suspicion.
I'd sincerely take the advice of Coast Guard, Border Patrol or Secret Service where there's a difference - over the FBI anymore.
Todd.
I once had something of a museum of ammunition devoted to the FBI's waffling on ammo. I just sort of backed into it due to past professional connections.My ex wife was a Special Agent with a different agency and FBI wasn’t one of her favorites to work with.
In fact, well that is probably putting it nicely.
Having dealt with many government contracts, I’d also take anything anyone says with a big grain of salt. Or if my ex was any indicator they could have boxes of who knows what laying around.
seriously eroded their credibility in most anything side-arm related these past 30 or so years.
Are you under the impression that the 9MM Glock pistols of the Coast Guard are loaded with something other than commercially-sourced ammunition that meets the FBI protocols?I'd sincerely take the advice of Coast Guard, Border Patrol or Secret Service where there's a difference - over the FBI anymore
Basis for that assertion?Sadly, so much of it had to do with P.C. considerations.
Contracts have been let to Hornady, Winchester, and Vista. The last is for Federal ammo.Can anyone advise what the FBI’s current issue 9mm ammo is?
I know for a fact that the Coast Guard specifically ignored FBI guidance on their current items.Are you under the impression that the 9MM Glock pistols of the Coast Guard are loaded with something other than commercially-sourced ammunition that meets the FBI protocols?
How about the new 9 MM Glocks of the Secret Service?
Basis for that assertion?
They issue Glock 9MM pistols.I know for a fact that the Coast Guard specifically ignored FBI guidance on their current items.
To my knowledge, the USCG has never considered the findings of the FBI Academy as bindingEven if it ends up being coincidental - that is not a matter of taking the FBI's opinion as *gospel* as was always done in the past.
OK, whatever.To my knowledge, the USCG has never considered the findings of the FBI Academy as binding
What round do you believe the Coast Guard uses now?If your *knowledge* included the fact that they specifically disregarded the FBI on the last round of deliberations - your drive-by devi'l's advocate nonsense would be more compelling
FBI DIVIDES $35M CONTRACT AMONG THREE AMMO COMPANIES
04/30/2018 06:30 AM | by Daniel Terrill
The big three ammo companies — Hornady Manufacturing, Winchester Ammunition, and Vista Outdoor — were given their own slice of a $35 million contract with the FBI for training rounds.
The Bureau awarded the contract for “9mm Luger service, reduced-lead training, and frangible ammunition,” according to April 2 announcement.
Taking $19 million, Vista will receive the bulk of the award, which covers up to four years. The company, which manages dozens of brands, said the agency opted for Federal Premium ammunition with a new match-grade bullet and a lead-free primer.
Hornady was contracted to fill an $11 million order. The Nebraska-based company said it will provide Hornad’s 9mm+P Luger 135 grain FlexLock Critical Duty ammunition.
Lastly, Winchester — owned by Olin Corp. — received the remainder of the contract, to the tune of $5 million.
The FBI switched back to issuing a 9mm handgun in 2016, when the agency awarded a contracted valued up to $85 million to Glock. The agency had relied on .40-caliber pistols beforehand.
Your typically pedantic and snarky response does not even come close to addressing my point.What round do you believe the Coast Guard uses now?
Hint--it's the same as the FBI, the Secret Service. the Border Patrol, and the rest of DHS.
I suspect nearly any current HP 9mm on the market from Hornady, Winchester, Federal, Remington and a few others
will get the job done, especially for a civilian trying to protect himself and family.
In 1986 I believe it was 115Gr. Winchester Silvertips....just before adopting the 10mm.
That's what all defensive carriers want, and it is what the manufacturers strive for.It seems the FBI is always looking for the magic bullet that just penetrates enough but not too much and not too little for the expected optimum shutdown of a foe. And it wants the bullet to penetrate hard and difficult surfaces and then "compute" just how far to go--but not too much--through softer bone and flesh.
That's why we have to accept compromises.I don't think such a bullet will exist
Yep.The advice in a recent Wilson Combat video was "placement, placement, placement."
The Silver Tip really did do the job it was asked to do at the time. It was a high speed, lightweight, rapidly expanding projectile, with shallow penetration. "Energy dump" was the theory of the day.In the Miami shootout, the FBI seemed to claim the Silver Tip "failed"
because after penetrating a perp's arm, it then entered the side
of his chest and traveled inward but short of the heart.
I've always thought the Silver Tip did its job but it was asking
a lot to expect for penetration.