dogtown tom
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Source for this fact?I know for a fact that the Coast Guard specifically ignored FBI guidance on their current items....
Source for this fact?I know for a fact that the Coast Guard specifically ignored FBI guidance on their current items....
Contracts have been let to Hornady, Winchester, and Vista. The last is for Federal ammo.
FBI divides $35M contract among three ammo companies
The Silver Tip really did do the job it was asked to do at the time. It was a high speed, lightweight, rapidly expanding projectile, with shallow penetration. "Energy dump" was the theory of the day.
Time and experience has proven that you generally need to hit something important for effectiveness, and the "energy dump" theory went by the wayside. Heavier projectiles, with deeper penetration became the norm.
This is actually very interesting. This is my first post here, but if you ever feel inclined to go into more specific detail on the matter, I’d sure be interested to learn a thing or two.I once had something of a museum of ammunition devoted to the FBI's waffling on ammo. I just sort of backed into it due to past professional connections.
They were all over the place in; .38/.357, 9mm, 10mm, .40 back to 9 and even re-visiting .38/.357.
Sadly, so much of it had to do with P.C. considerations. After that, the motives seemed to be media-reactionary decisions and then of course.... *Beltway bandits* foisting their profiteering on the Bureau and its Agents.
All to the greater shame of FBI Senior Leadership. A shame we've seen migrate well & truly beyond firearms in that once stellar organization.
So, I see the FBI's manic attitude towards their greatest tool - other than the typewriter - as a harbinger of the downfall of their credibility and stature as the single greatest Law Enforcement entity that the world had ever seen.
More's the pity.
Todd.
Yes, and it is they who specify the product and they who approve the vendors.The FBI, like any other bureaucratic organization, buys from approved vendors and has to follow Federal purchasing guidleines;
That is an oversimplification, and it is irrelevant.the FBI was established primarily to diminish the influence of organized crime
That is true. The FBI develops the specifications for "agents and our law enforcement partners", and it is the large customer base of the latter that provides the economies of scale to enable the several suppliers to expect a return on their investments in the design, development, testing, and tooling necessary to provide the approved ammunition.How the anti-crime units of city, state and rural municipal officers are armed is way more important than how the FBI's special agents are armed.
Come again?Unfortunately, the former follows the latter instead of correctly having the latter follow the former
The word you're looking for is "facilitated."Yes, and it is they who specify the product and they who approve the vendors.
That is an oversimplification, and it is irrelevant.
That is true. The FBI develops the specifications for "agents and our law enforcement partners", and it is the large customer base of the latter that provides the economies of scale to enable the several suppliers to expect a return on their investments in the design, development, testing, and tooling necessary to provide the approved ammunition.
Come again?
Does anyone really believe that there is any city, state, municipal, or rural police department that is funded, staffed, equipped, and facilitized to do the research, analysis, and testing necessary to develop the specifications or to approve product submitted for acceptance? No. The FBI Training academy at Quantico does that for all the departments.
The 3 things I value in my 9mm rounds:
A)Bonded jacket to prevent separation
B)Polymer tipped to prevent clogging of cavity
C) Contains at least some silver in case of any Werewolfs........you never know
Not really.The word you're looking for is "facilitated."
Do you mean locking block?My last issued BERETTA had the locking lugs so warn
And I'm pretty positive the slide goes back and forth on every semiautomatic handgun when its fired.I could watch the slide go back and forth, when I shot it....
Forum member golden and dogtown tom are talking about the Beretta 90 Series of guns and not the PX4.Locking block lug worn? (Beretta actually calls it a "central block)" If not lubricated properly, the lug could wear prematurely.
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Does anyone really believe that there is any city, state, municipal, or rural police department that is funded, staffed, equipped, and facilitized to do the research, analysis, and testing necessary to develop the specifications or to approve product submitted for acceptance? No. The FBI Training academy at Quantico does that for all the departments.
I like the way you think Palladan44, number three is vitally importantThe 3 things I value in my 9mm rounds:
A)Bonded jacket to prevent separation
B)Polymer tipped to prevent clogging of cavity
C) Contains at least some silver in case of any Werewolfs........you never know
C) Contains at least some silver in case of any Werewolfs........you never know
I'm still amazed that peeps give a hoot what Bambi secret agent can handle.