CZ 75 Tactical Sport any more accurate than SP-01?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Orion8472, Jun 23, 2008.

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  1. burningsquirrels

    burningsquirrels Member

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    sorry, but i already did. i used a large flat file on the bench with sandpaper and worked slowly, moving the sear across the file.

    p.s., i think we've headed off track from the sp-01 vs. TS thread - see my posts in the cz forums or put a new thread here to discuss gunsmithing if you like :)
     
  2. hags

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    I agree! Get an EAA Witness Elite Match and you won't have to worry about the gunsmithing.
    :D
     
  3. burningsquirrels

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    lol! :p :rolleyes

    but in the end i think the OP's real answer to the original question is that the difference between the two guns is very small in terms of accuracy. they're both good for plenty of alphas and steel knockdowns. :)
     
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    Well, as someone that has shot all three, I can say that the Tactical Sport is more accurate than the POS-1.

    However, I'll stick by my original recommendation and say get the Witness Match!!!!!

    :D
     
  5. Orion8472

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    As the OP-er, . . . . . I appreciate the information about the EAA Witness Elite models. I have to say that I DID check them out, and the Elite Limited is down right yummy looking! It is a little MORE money than the CZ Tactical Sport, but it's appearance may make up for that difference.

    Now, I have heard that EAA only sends ONE magazine with these guns. I think that is too bad. If they came with three, that would really sweeten the deal!

    Anyway, if I DID get an Elite Limited, then I would feel obligated to make use out of the drilled and tapped holes, adding to the price even more. Even if not, . . . . . very nice looking pistol!

    By the way, where are EAA's made?

    One last "By the way", . . . . hags, where is the best place to buy an Elite Limited for the best price? If you have a webpage, please post or PM!

    Thanks!
     
  6. atblis

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    by Tanfoglio in Italy.

    EAA is just the importer (thank god).

    Gunbroker.com
    http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=117
    A dealer should be able to call up EAA and order one direct. EAA said they were going dealer direct, but then they flip flopped and became somewhat belligerent about the issue. Have your dealer call.

    To the OP considering the TS and SP01. Have you handled both? I find them to be quite different pistols in terms of ergonomics/feel. I almost don't care for the TS, but hesitate to say that as I haven't shot one yet.

    EAA is a total cheeseball outfit. They're as bad as everyone says. That IMO is the single biggest reason to stay away from the Witness line. Most of the time Tanfoglio turns out top notch pistols, but they have at times turned out some dogs. I don't know if this is EAA or Tanfoglio.
     
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    Looking at the two pistols, the Elite Match and the Elite Limited, . . . is there a $400 reason to buy the Limited over the Match? . . . . . . . Other than the fact that the Limited looks A LOT better (as in "light years" better looking)?
     
  8. burningsquirrels

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    the holes in the limited pistol looks like it's an optics mount... which ironically, will put the gun into open division, not limited division lol.
     
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    the limited and open are a little better put together..offer a few more of the upgrades. They shoot very well. we have a couple of shooters in our USPSA section that do very well with them.

    The Elite series is a very nice gun..and it is nice that finally there are others out there beginning to support the gun, besides EAA. Tanfoglio does a nice job of supporting the action shooting sports in other parts of the world, but the US importer EAA..does nothing. too bad.
     
  10. HorseSoldier

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    You seem to be getting more and more trollish, and less and less High Road-ish as this thread goes on. :(
     
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    I don't think so as it's all said tongue in cheek. Funny, but that post spefically answers the OP. Unlike..........
    Your post on the other hand offers much to this thread.
    Do you have an opinion on firearms?
     
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    Anyway, I just completed a sale to a person who has an SP-01 that he is not happy with.
    He did not purchase it from me, he complained of FTF/FTE problems and poor accuracy. I in no way mean to imply it is a faulty firearm without inspection, trial, and observation of the shooter.

    That has not been my personal experience with the SP-01. I have aired all my complaints about it already. If you have handled it and/or test fired it then you'll be able to draw your own conclusions on whether or not it is right for you.
    I saw the SP-01 and grabbed one right away. It looks good, feels good in the hand and CZ has a good reputation. Upon shooting one extensively though, it falls a little short on a few things.

    We don't have to resort to calling people "trollish".

    If I'm being trollish so be it, these are real world experiences and not conjecture. I shoot alot, I sell, trade, handle and shoot alot of different firearms. I am lucky! I shoot with my customers and spend the time to get them what they're looking for, whether or not they know what that is when they come to me. If I can help by sharing these experiences and GASP! opinions then we're all the better for it.
    :D
     
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    our SP-01 and the other three at my weekly USPSA match have zero problems and work excellent, and we all do well with ours. :)
     
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    Yeah, I guess this thread may be more of a "Tactical Sport vs. Elite Limited" discussion now.

    The Tactical Sport comes with 3 20 round magazines.
    The Elite Limited only ships with one, incurring more expense for at least 2 more magazines (and they are 18 rounders). However, the Elite Limited has a fully adjustable rear sight, and the ability to get a scope mount, if I chose to do so.

    However, on both of them, the highly "spiney" front and rear grip section of the handle looks like it would be uncomfortable, at least to me.
     
  15. GZOh

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    HAGS, I think you're gettin burningsquirrels 'alittle crazy here'... about the only thing I can say right about now is, don't cross into Georgia wearin your 'EAA/TAG' tee-shirt!
     
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    Yeah. My SP-01 has had zero reliability issues, has a very good trigger, and (perhaps because of all that pesky gym time and PT I do) its weight doesn't seem to bother me as much as you suggest it should. No explanation for the difference in experience.

    Parenthetically, I picked it up as a full sized range gun to compliment my P-01, which was my daily CCW for a long time. I must have missed to tacticool kool-aid you also referenced somewhere above, nor was I looking for pistol to play games with. Far as I can tell, my "POS-1" is a solid performer . . . I can't say I've heard the same thing about the alternate brand you're pushing.

    But, out of a desire to not feed the troll, I thought simply pointing out the declining quality if your comments was the more appropriate course of action.
     
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    that is doable..all you need is the DA trigger and the disconnector, and a new hammer if the Elite hammer does not have the second set of pin holes.
    otherwise a pretty straight forward conversion.
     
  18. hags

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    That's contrary to alot of what I've heard and read. If you think the SP-01 has a very good trigger then I would question you as to what a bad trigger is. I don't have alot of time for gym time and PT as I have a mortgage, a business to run, children to raise, bills to pay etc.......I'm sorry. :D

    What I can say is that I have experienced/heard that the Witness Match is a solid performer. I have not referenced the standard Witness anywhere here which is a different animal. I'm gonna guess you didn't miss the tacticool angle. By the way, whadda bench? Don't tell me your a "no free weights all machine" type of guy.

    Hey you can make all the comments you like on the thread I started to more appropriately address "our" issue.

    :D
     
  19. burningsquirrels

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    GZOh: i may not agree with all that hags has to say, but that's the beauty of free speech. everyone has a right to their say. :cool:

    and yeah, this thread has totally turned into a CZ vs. Tanfoglio thread, haha! :neener: :neener: :neener:
     
  20. AndyC

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    I haven't shot any of the Witness series, but I did have a Tanfoglio copy of the CZ75 in the late 80's. My gunsmith cursed me out when I arrived to collect the pistol after having him drop a tritium insert in the front-sight - he said the steel was the hardest he's ever had to drill ;)
     
  21. atblis

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    You do realize

    You do realize that is not necessarily a good thing? Tanfoglio has had problems here and there with cracking (both frames and slides).
     
  22. hags

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    Yes, rare and with the 10mm. I must note though, they have fixed the problem.

    Also, Caspian and Essex Arms have had problems with cracking frames and slides. Both (Essex as of late) are top notch manufacturers of slides and frames.

    Have you heard of the CZ 85 frame problems?????
     
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    Mine didn't - I put over 30,000 rounds through that puppy before I sold it. The 'smith said it was hard, not brittle (he should know - he makes knives as a sideline).
     
  24. atblis

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    Hmm

    It's happened with other calibers as well. I wouldn't say they fixed it, it seems to be a quality issue that shows up from time to time. Not a usual occurrence though. There seem to be one or two a year maybe (that are reported). Casting is a very interesting process with many intricacies. There's also been a few cracked barrels interestingly enough.
     
  25. burningsquirrels

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    probably some pasta or meatball grease falling into the melting pot for the frame material. :)
     
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