Do You Carry Concealed into your Church?

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What places do you believe honest people should be restricted from Sam?
A few I can think of would be jails, mental institutes, probably commercial airplanes, most workplaces while actually on the job. Certainly you don't believe we should be restricted at the county fair, pub, or public sporting events do you?
An interesting read is to view the various no go areas in some states and then try to reason why they made the law the way they did. To me a good example is the 51% law that some states have, some with harsh felony penalties. Why would you not make being armed and intoxicated a felony instead of mere possession?
 
No, no! I actually was confused by the way you phrased that. I thought you were agreeing that bars, county fairs, and sporting events should be restricted places. A lot of people DO.

I can imagine why jails and mental institutions are. I disagree about airplanes. No point to that. Workplaces? I would absolutely not want to work someplace where I was prohibited from carrying.

If you want to really scratch your head over "why???" go read North Carolina's "no-no" list.
 
Workplaces? I would absolutely not want to work someplace where I was prohibited from carrying.
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If you lived in Alabama and were not in the military or a LEO you would likely have to work from home. Pickings for a workplace that allows carry on the job are mighty slim.
 
It can, but that depends on your state's permitting. It isn't against federal law to carry at a school if you are carrying in a state which has issued you a license to carry which allows you to.
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This is true in my state. You can ccw, with a permit, in a school as long as you have no malicious intentions.
 
Oh, certainly true.

There's plenty of states (nearly all of them!) which have off-limits areas that make me sad. Doesn't mean we don't have to deal with them, or can avoid them all.
 
I only say airplanes because all boarders " should " be passed through a metal detector but that is far from perfect. My heart says OK to airplanes but the environment there is so unforgiving of what I would normally consider a reasonable risk. I say work because for me it has always been a construction/mining occupation and in those situations there are hazards unique to those who wear heavy tool belts and get snagged up often, the prohibition would be one I'd impose upon myself. In general I believe one should be able to do what he wants and should his actions injure someone else either by accident or negligence he should bear the consequences which is some of the reason I stated airplanes, in a catastrophic ND there wouldn't be much more consequence than the result of the ND.
 
Should not this thread be titled: Dost Thou Carry Concealed Unto Thy Church?

C'mon- let's get into the right frame of mind here. :)
Denis
 
In general I believe one should be able to do what he wants and should his actions injure someone else either by accident or negligence he should bear the consequences which is some of the reason I stated airplanes, in a catastrophic ND there wouldn't be much more consequence than the result of the ND.
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Confusing sentence structure there again.

The idea of explosive decompression of a jet from a gunshot is a myth, though. There's bigger leaks than that in the airframes as it is. Hitting an innocent would still be the big problem. Sort of like at the mall.
 
Fall, winter and spring, the answer is yes 100% of the time.

Dog days of summer... it depends.... I don't want to freak out any sheeple by getting made , so if it's too hot to ware an appropriate cover garment, I go without.

My state requires that you have approval from the "management" to carry in a house of worship, and years ago the senior pastor was very happy to know that I (as well as several others) carried. He also did himself from time to time.

Then we stood up a "safety committee" which is focused on calling 911 and directing 1st responders in an emergency and to render first aid (defibrillator, etc...). They have a security "sub-committee" who's primary focus is to prevent the abduction of a child from the premises (which was attempted at a church 5 miles down the road). I was asked to participate in this group, but was frustrated to hear the associate pastor state that his biggest safety concern was that somebody would "go Rambo and hurt an innocent bystander". Shortly after that, the guy who was assigned to lead the security committee (a great guy, but an insurance weenie) un-invited everyone known to carry (who wasn't an LEO), as he doesn't want the church (or himself personally) to be tagged with any liability.

I was approached shortly after and told that they knew that I'd be prepared and that they trusted that they could "count on me if anything serious went down". I did not like this at all, as they were admitting that they were too lame to officially institute any kind of armed defense policy and would claim that they didn't sanction anything if there was a bad shoot. But at the same time, they wanted sheep dog type members to take the responsibility (and liability) for armed defense of the congregation upon themselves.

I told the associate pastor who made the Rambo comment not to worry, as he was seriously mistaken to assume that I would clear leather for him, and his (wife and kids), and that I wouldn't dream of expecting anybody else to take care of me and mine.

I hated to say that.... but felt strongly that the point had to be made.... Ya don't get to have your cake (squeaky clean hands) and eat it too (armed protection).
 
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Sam,
No confusing sentence structure there.

X was clearly voicing his concerns about a catastrophic nuclear detonation in North Dakota.
Simple, Dimple. :)
Denis
 
My pastor found out I had a CCW and was retired LEO. He asked me to carry. He also had a government security chief and his wife that had CCW and carried. The Sunday school teacher is a manager of a bank and she has extensive firearms training, so she carries. Now the regular congregation isn't that knowledgeable of the fact, but the church board was in agreement with it. I actually have been taking some private training courses based around close quarter ( 3 feet to 25 yard) live fire training. Last month I shot 250 rounds in two hours of live fire exercises. Next month is the completion with another 250 rounds for a Glock 23.

The Baptist church down the road with a large congregation has about 6 armed (deeply concealed) security spread throughout the sanctuary. I actually shoot pistol competition with some of them at the club.

I just accepted a pastorship at another church. I will be looking into something there.

Now, all the churches I am speaking of are out in the country. Police response time is usually 20-30 minutes on a very good day (County Sheriff). Doesn't make any difference to me if city or country, just thought I'd point out my location.
 
If I'm mistaken about a window being shot out at 35,000 feet it just shows how little I know about airplanes, consider me in agreement on all counts then.
 
I would absolutely not want to work someplace where I was prohibited from carrying.
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I agree on principle, yet a year of unemployment convinced me to take what work I could get.

And yes, when I attend, I carry (don't tell my mother in law!).
 
Yes, as a matter of fact I do, sig 238:eek:, the police TOLD me to it, they said it was a good idea! Churches are not the safe places that they used to be at one time....
 
I do not not regularly attend anymore but yes I would and the head pastor would support it 100% as he is a strong second amendment supporter and someone who strongly influensed my passion for firearms.
 
The previous church we attended was fantastic, with a great pastor. He unfortunately retired and was replaced by a leftist who spent more time preaching left wing politics than the Bible. When Illinois passed concealed carry he immediately posted the church as a no carry zone. We left, not because I couldn't carry there, but because we don't go to church to hear about politics. We now go to a church that's a satellite location and is in a school, so carrying is not allowed by law.
 
I will be the odd man out here and say No. Because you brought it up in the context of church and my decision is based on my feeling about church you get my thought pattern. I believe that the person who guides our church was divinely appointed, its a large and world wide religion. We have been asked not to carry at church. Since I believe that those who give direction for my church receive divine inspiration I take the admonition as if God himself asked me not too. As such when I am in the walls of the church building, I place my life and the life of my family in God's hands. If something untoward happened because of that decision, well God and I will have to work that out. But I would much rather do what he says, than not. I try to follow his guidance outside of church, I figure I better do it in his house as well. I've prayed about the matter and that's my decision.

I am not an LEO, and don't have the legal requirement to carry off duty (which the guidance specifically exempts due to that obligation.) Of which there are some in my congregation.

That's my 0.02. YMMV.
 
Wow, a lot of good responses from THR members. I especially like PLODDER'S response. I think restricting your own freedoms to show deference to others is an act of character, thoughtfulness particularly.
 
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