Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

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My answer is "NO", I don't [and won't] feel under gunned with a reliable
wheel gun. I grew up using revolvers, so I feel very confident in my own
abilities with revolvers and semi-auto's. Some days, are revolver days~!
When I do carry a wheel gun, its usually a Smith & Wesson J-frame of
some sort; mostly an old model 60-nothing 5-shot .38 Special, that I
train with and shoot very well~! :cool:

Also, I own a 2.5" Smith & Wesson model 66 that I could use in self
defense situations; if I choose too carry it. :)

A lot depends on my "uniform of the day", whether or not I pick a
revolver or a semi-auto. When carrying a wheel gun, I always carry
extra rounds in a Bianchi speed-strip; likewise, a semi-auto always
has at least one spare magazine close at hand~! :uhoh: ;)
 
Thanks for all of the responses guys! I have the same feeling of, if I don't get him in 6 shots, I have a problem to begin with. I love revolvers. I think that they look cooler and scarier then their semi auto counterparts. I just wanted to see how you guys felt about it. I'm a big fan of the 357 Magnum, and I would hope that 6 hollow points would stop anyone. In conclusion, I don't need the extra ammo but its just nice to have.
 
I often am asked by new shooters, or folks who are about to be new shooters- "what kind of handgun should I get?" I always reply with "a K Frame Smith model 10/64". You should see the shock on their face! They always reply that it is "too old". More often than not they go with a Glock. It is what is on TV and in videos and stupid time wasting video games....They are more prone, in my opinion (based on right at 30 years of shooting experience) to hurt some one who is a bystander with 15-18 rounds out of an auto pistol then they would be if they bought a revolver and practiced with it extensively. A revolver will work everytime. Point, aim, breathe, squeeze. Done deal. One well placed round will have a dramatic effect on the situation. 14 flyers will not and they may find themselves having to do a lot of explaining. Most likely to a judge.
 
Under gunned?

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I figure if you are stupid enough to look down the barrel of that gun, see those HP's, and want a 2 bore sized hole, you deserve it.

The big rounds on the left are .500JRH, the Middle rounds and two bullets are Hornady factory ammo, 400 grain XTP at 1350 fps out of my gun. The lighter bullets, 275 and 325 grains both move around 1550 fps, with a minimum pressure load in the .475.
The 45 Colt load, 260 grains, at about 1350 fps is no joke either. Next to that is .45 Super, 230 grains at 1100 fps, and, the lowly .357 magnum,
that round is Fioochi 148 Grain, IIRC, at around 1350 fps.

Now, a bunch of folks think the .357 is plenty. You think I feel under gunned?
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By the way, the gun I like carrying most is this:
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All fit comfortably in my shoulder rig. Would you feel under gunned with 440 grain LFN bullets at 950 fps?

Guys that hunt with such stuff swear they hit, and effect game like a .375 H&H rifle.
 
I recall a story I read about 25 years ago. Two cops were pinned down in an alley. The assailent had a rifle of some sort. The younger of the two officers had a double stack 9mm, I believe a S&W M59. The older had a 4" .357 Magnum. The younger one fired about 30 rounds and as he completed his second reload, the older officer told him to stop shooting. The older officer then fired one round (the only round he fired during the incident) from the .357. The assailent went down. One center mass hit from the .357 is the only hit he took.

My own father, a small town police chief, shot and killed a woman who attacked/ambushed him with a Colt 1911. He fired one round of .357 Magnum Remington 125 grain JHP from a 4" S&W M19. He hit her in the head, blowing out the back of her skull.

A friend of mine was working as a security guard. He and the manager of the movie theater he was working at got robbed by a man with a shotgun while counting the night's reciepts. He fired one round of .357 Magnum 158 JHP from a 4" Colt Python and got a clean shot through the heart, immediatelly killing the attacker.

So no, I do not feel undergunned with a revolver.

Marksmanship trumps capacity.
 
I haven't read through all the posts, so this may have already been addressed, but I'd say it depends.

Out and about I feel well-armed with my 5-shot m60 .357, which I practice with a lot.

At home, I carry 8+1 in a 1911 to get me to my Mossberg 590. The past half dozen home invasions in my city have seen three to five intruders and a five-shot snubby simply won't suffice.
 
I find it hard to believe someone can take 6 rounds of 45 Colt and still remain standing since that round was designed to kill a horse out from under it's rider. (and will)

Obviously this depends on where and what the rounds hit for horses and people alike (and for every ordinary handgun caliber).

But in general I agree with the sentiment that shot placement is much more important than number of rounds shot. 15 rounds that miss dont count as much as one that does.

Accuracy is more important overall in this context, but having both accuracy and capacity is even better. :) This is especially true in dynamic situations in which most people would be fortunate to land a fraction of their shots at all, let alone with any precision, and more shots means more opportunities and improved odds of survival.

Admittedly, civilians only rarely get involved in protracted gunfights (even a few seconds would be "protracted" in terms of ammo usage), but then again the same is only somewhat less true of the typical LEO, and relatively high capacity is a good way for both to prepare for the unlikely (if they care to).

I am reading Lee Silvas book on Wyatt Earp, and he does a section on gunfighters. Silva states that most of the old timers (including Earp), were big believers in taking just that extra, minute bit of time to correctly acquire their target, and that the man who could calmly do that would likely be the last man standing.

That's just as true today I think--first be sure to hit the guy, then hit the guy again, and repeat as necessary. At close range, however, one would probably be best served by point-shooting at least the first shot. I never thought I'd say that, but then I learned that it is possible (without being a super-talented trick shooter) to reliably hit a target, even while on the move, without using the sights. I couldn't do it before, but after working on it for a while, I can do it now (into a 4" group at 5 yards repeatably--not as good as with the sights but good enough), much to my own surprise. It only saves a tiny fraction of a second, but I'll take whatever I can get.

Along those lines, the man who fanned his revolver wildly didnt generally hit much.

I presume that you're speaking figuratively here, but as an aside I wonder whether people actually fanned their guns (much?) back then. I know that some exhibition shooters did sometimes in accomplishing spectacular feats, and that some people practiced slip-shooting, but the use of fanning in actual gunfights seems rather questionable to me.

If you don't have the confidence in yourself to get it done with 6 shots, perhaps you should practise more? Cause spray-n-pray isn't the answer...

I'm highly motivated to train all I can in order to make each shot count, but I still don't see a downside to having a few more rounds in the gun (having hundreds of rounds loaded in moon clips for the imminent zombie apocalypse notwithstanding ;)). I guess I like having margins whenever possible. That and reading or hearing about real life incidents in which people emptied their revolvers just to stop one person. I wouldn't want to have to reload if the bad guy's buddy tries to even the score (and immediate reprisals have happened before). And I'm not so overconfident in my skills that I think I could stop a bad guy--especially a determined bad guy--quickly with a couple of shots (it could happen if I'm really lucky, but I train to shoot fast for a reason). Note that these are kind of worst-case scenarios. Often simply brandishing a gun works wonders, and shooting it anywhere usually sends bad guys (even multiple bad guys) running. That said, worst-case scenarios are part of what being prepared is about.
 
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Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?
Do you guys feel under gunned with a revolver? I've always been a little nervous only having 5, 6, or even 7 shots knowing that there's 17 round Glocks out and about. I would have to reload 3 times more then they would. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to start anything here. I just want to hear all of your takes on the subject.

My point is that there are more important things then quantity, and more then one factor in feeling under gunned or not.

If the badguy is wearing a vest, is more then 50 yards away,etc. all of a sudden those glocks with 17 rounds, and that long, horrible, accuracy robbing trigger pull aren't so ideal anymore.

I've always felt shot placement, bore size, bullet weight and velocity are more important then capacity, unless I'm the guy that's supposed to use suppressive fire.

In our state, this is pretty much moot. Since law abiding citizens aren't supposed to have more then 10 rounds in a magazine, it's almost begging you to make those 10 shots count, with accuracy and a bigger bore size and bullet. We all know the bad guys in California never break the law, so why be nervous?:fire:

I've always felt the process of aiming, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger is more likely to create a hit then spray and pray.

But this question is about feeling, and logic is secondary. Having a handgun that pretty much hits like a shotgun is a pretty big equalizer to me.
 
Oh, boy...here we go again!

Statistics won't determine which fight you get.

Use what you like...just make sure you are proficient with whatever you carry. If I'm in a fight and you volunteer to help, I won't turn you down!
 
It's been said...in a gunfight "you run out of time before you run out of ammo".

I carry a 5 shot revolver and no extra ammo. If I run into a situation where 5 shots isn't enough, then most likely one gun isn't enough and there's no way I'm gonna carry around extra guns or make my buddies follow me around everyday for backup.
 
I was fortunate in that my department authorized the 357 Magnum. I qualified at the top of my academy class with a Model 28-2 and carried Magnum ammunition on duty. I also practiced weekly with Magnum hand loads, all fired double action. This was when speed loaders were something new and the only ones available back then were for the K-frame and I believe the Trooper/Python as well.

At 9 months on the street I passed my probationary year and the department decided to authorize the carry of semi autos. I had purchased a MKIV Series 70 Government Model to experiment with as I was then reading the work of some guy named Cooper. I found in shooting the Government Model that much of what Cooper said was correct and I could in fact control it better in rapid fire than the magnum revolver. And no, this was not what is referred to as "spray and pray" but rather keeping all shots in the center of the chest of a silhouette target fired as quick as I could with control.

I took advantage of the department's change in policy and qualified with the 45 ACP. I felt more confident with it, not because of the 8 rounds I then carried but rather because I had better control than with the magnum revolver and could reload significantly faster and more positively than with the revolver and its dump pouches.

I own a couple hi-cap semi autos now (Glocks) but don't feel significantly more capable with then than I do with a 1911. The Glocks will take more abuse and probably have an edge in reliability, although my 1911s always worked just fine, but the extra capacity doesn't make me feel all that better armed.

I might add, I never lost my affinity for N-frame S&Ws and have a number of them in the gun safe. If required I would not hesitate to carry one of them as a defensive handgun but it would be matched with either speed loaders (44 Special or 357 Mag) or full moon clips (45 ACP).

Dave
 
I carry extra 5 shot HKS speedloaders incase of the shooting the bg isnt done just to be on the safe side. Normally with a revolver,it will or might take only one to three shots of BULLET PLACEMENT to STOP THE ATTACKER.
 
ford vs. chevy...
PC vs. MAC
9mm vs. .45 ACP
revolver vs. semi-auto...


I guess I don't really care what anyone else would do because I am not a teenage girl, and can decide what to carry by myself.

I like both semi-auto & revolvers for carry ...

- a lot of the times I carry both or one or the other - I do a little operational risk management and think about the likely risks I am going to encounter - and no I don't ever feel "outgunned" because hardly anybody other than LEOs in the US carries a weapon of any sort.
 
ford vs. chevy...
PC vs. MAC
9mm vs. .45 ACP
revolver vs. semi-auto...


I guess I don't really care what anyone else would do because I am not a teenage girl, and can decide what to carry by myself.

I like both semi-auto & revolvers for carry ...

- a lot of the times I carry both or one or the other - I do a little operational risk management and think about the likely risks I am going to encounter - and no I don't ever feel "outgunned" because hardly anybody other than LEOs in the US carries a weapon of any sort.
No need to get snippy with me. Whats wrong with getting other peoples opinions? What am I supposed to do, only start a thread when I need help? That would be boring. Funny you should mention teenage girl. I'm actually a teenage guy, and I've carried a .38 on several occasions when I know that I'm going into bad parts of town. I like to expect everyone to have guns, then I'm always careful.
 
TheSigmaEnigma
Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?
Do you guys feel under gunned with a revolver? I've always been a little nervous only having 5, 6, or even 7 shots knowing that there's 17 round Glocks out and about. I would have to reload 3 times more then they would. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to start anything here. I just want to hear all of your takes on the subject.

In a defensive every-day carry situation, I would not feel out-gunned. However, if the defensive situation escalated into a full blown gunfight, you bet I would feel out-gunned with only a revolver!
 
malice

No I don't feel out gunned. Magnum rounds give me extra confidence due to the power they have beyond my 9mm's. I know the round will penetrate from either of my .357's or my .44. Second point is the pure shock and malice revolver has when pointed at someone. The giant black hole at the front, and the hungry hollow points staring at you. Much more fearsome than my Sig. That's why I refer to my revolvers as Fecalators, bad guy sees them and needs new underwear.
 
Under gunned?

No, but then again, I haven't been in too many gunfights as of late. If I had, I might be singing a different song.

Nor do I have to head towards the sound of gunfire as LEOs do. Different song again.

Obviously YMMV.
 
I carry a reload or two, no matter what I'm carrying, because I want to be able to go home with my gun loaded after I've shot it (if it doesn't get taken as evidence), and there's no guarantee that I won't need it again five minutes after I shot it the first time. Nice to have, easy to carry.

SigmaEnigma, you need to be careful what you say in public, even on internet forums. This forum does not tolerate the advocacy of illegal activities. Confessing to breaking federal firearms law is especially frowned upon.
 
Under gunned? No, at least not most of the time.

First of all, I'm not a law enforcement officer who is obligated to go after and apprehend criminals, so the chances of getting involved in an extended gunfight are highly unlikely.

Add to that as a private citizen with a CCW I'm responsible for the consequences of each and every shot I may fire. Rapid firing of magazine-after-magazine may be fine in some stage of a combat game, but not such a good idea in real life.

I don't depend on spray & pray so much as marksmanship skills, and the ability to make fewer shots count.

If you take the time to read media reports concerning real incidents you will seldom find any relationship between what happened, and the prolonged gun battles featured in movies or T.V. In fact in real situations matters are often resolved with no shots fired at all after an attacker discovers that a potential victim is armed and capable of defending themselves.

Of course there are some environments where having a lot of quickly available ammunition may make a difference, and in those particular circumstances a large-cap pistol may be the way to go. But outside of law enforcement or military situations they are few and far between.
 
I carry a reload or two, no matter what I'm carrying, because I want to be able to go home with my gun loaded after I've shot it (if it doesn't get taken as evidence), and there's no guarantee that I won't need it again five minutes after I shot it the first time. Nice to have, easy to carry.

SigmaEnigma, you need to be careful what you say in public, even on internet forums. This forum does not tolerate the advocacy of illegal activities. Confessing to breaking federal firearms law is especially frowned upon.
Well, I didn't appreciate his comment. I was just making the point that you never know. Like I said, I consider everyone to be armed, then I'm always careful. I know the laws, and I am in no way, shape, or form breaking any. I appreciate your concern though.
 
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