Do you know a pro gun cop?
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papajohn
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I worked for four different PD's, worked with a lot of cops, and only knew of a few that were actively Pro-2A. Most were ambivalent, or just didn't trust the citizens they knew to be blithering idiots. (City folk 
) When you see so many people do so many dumb things, I guess that's to be expected. As long as they knew you were an upstanding citizen, you were okay, but there were also some elitist cops who didn't think the citizenry should be trusted with the same weapons they carried. (Or better.)
I remember going on an alarm call at a house in a wealthy neighborhood, when we got there the homeowner was standing outside in his pajamas with a 12-gauge pump. We exited the patrol car, and he demanded to see our ID's. Those kinds of people make me lose my faith in humanity........
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) When you see so many people do so many dumb things, I guess that's to be expected. As long as they knew you were an upstanding citizen, you were okay, but there were also some elitist cops who didn't think the citizenry should be trusted with the same weapons they carried. (Or better.)I remember going on an alarm call at a house in a wealthy neighborhood, when we got there the homeowner was standing outside in his pajamas with a 12-gauge pump. We exited the patrol car, and he demanded to see our ID's. Those kinds of people make me lose my faith in humanity........
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I personally can think of nine off the top of my head that are as pro-Second Amendment as anyone I know. They range from Federal Marshals, (one of whom was a sniper at Ruby Ridge and Waco) to Dallas, Tyler, and Abilene PD veterans, plus local Police, Sheriff, Constable and Texas DPS folks. These are men and women, one black, one gay. My good friend in Abilene shoots on the National Match team with us when he can and owns 40 Garands. He loves shooting and sends a constant stream of pro-gun emails to his mailing list, as well as being one of the funniest guys I have ever met. The local designated shooter for the Sheriffs tactical team loves guns and the Second Amendment. He's had to shoot in several tactical/hostage situations. He also is the guy I make the first call to when I need a form signed for NFA items. The Dallas PD guy rides motorcycles for the police and shot Texas NM team and highpower rifle with us. We suffered through getting a Distinguished Badge with him.
That said, NONE of them would take a stand against their departments and government bureacracy in the event of an anti- Bill of Rights action by their department. They'll do what they are ordered. The Texas Highway Patrolman came the closest to taking a stance opposing his department when he actually testified in Federal Court that he watched the FBI load and haul off BOTH doors from the Branch Davidian compound at Waco. He said that nearly ended his already long career with the DPS. Luckily, he said, for him, there were so many lies being told in the cover-up that his testimony, (outside the presence of the jury), went by the wayside.
The Fed Marshals were at Katrina and stood silently by while guns were confiscated.
Almost to a man each one says that law enforcement isn't what it used to be when they joined.
I personally can think of nine off the top of my head that are as pro-Second Amendment as anyone I know. They range from Federal Marshals, (one of whom was a sniper at Ruby Ridge and Waco) to Dallas, Tyler, and Abilene PD veterans, plus local Police, Sheriff, Constable and Texas DPS folks. These are men and women, one black, one gay. My good friend in Abilene shoots on the National Match team with us when he can and owns 40 Garands. He loves shooting and sends a constant stream of pro-gun emails to his mailing list, as well as being one of the funniest guys I have ever met. The local designated shooter for the Sheriffs tactical team loves guns and the Second Amendment. He's had to shoot in several tactical/hostage situations. He also is the guy I make the first call to when I need a form signed for NFA items. The Dallas PD guy rides motorcycles for the police and shot Texas NM team and highpower rifle with us. We suffered through getting a Distinguished Badge with him.
That said, NONE of them would take a stand against their departments and government bureacracy in the event of an anti- Bill of Rights action by their department. They'll do what they are ordered. The Texas Highway Patrolman came the closest to taking a stance opposing his department when he actually testified in Federal Court that he watched the FBI load and haul off BOTH doors from the Branch Davidian compound at Waco. He said that nearly ended his already long career with the DPS. Luckily, he said, for him, there were so many lies being told in the cover-up that his testimony, (outside the presence of the jury), went by the wayside.
The Fed Marshals were at Katrina and stood silently by while guns were confiscated.
Almost to a man each one says that law enforcement isn't what it used to be when they joined.
I know quite a few LEOs who enjoy shooting sports and have no problem with 2A. I shoot trap with couple, meet another couple at the range frequently, and have hunted and fished with others. They are people like you and me.
Why are you looking for enemies, and what do you propose to do about them other than foam at the mouth?
Why are you looking for enemies, and what do you propose to do about them other than foam at the mouth?
Big45
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Not sure if you understand the purpose of the thread or not.
I asked if anyone knows a pro gun cop. Not if anyone knows an antigun cop.
308win
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I don't know many policemen but my younger brother is getting ready to retire after 30 years on the force and he is as pro 2A as anyone I know. If you ask him he will tell you that if you aren't taking responsibility for your own safety you are a moron because unless you are extremely fortunate, by the time he or his men get there it is very often too late. He lives in central Illinois and just shakes his head at the lunacy that comprise firearms laws and policy in the land of Lincoln. But he isn't a gun nut; he owns three guns and to him they are merely tools.
westpoint64
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As many have already posted, I know
quite a few pro-gun cops myself...and
I shoot matches with one practically
every month. But he's the head of one of my gun clubs, too, so that's to be expected, I guess.
Around here sherriffs, their deputies, and county police are more likely to be pro-gun...ditto for many officers in small town departments.
quite a few pro-gun cops myself...and
I shoot matches with one practically
every month. But he's the head of one of my gun clubs, too, so that's to be expected, I guess.
Around here sherriffs, their deputies, and county police are more likely to be pro-gun...ditto for many officers in small town departments.
jbird714
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Fortunately most of our local officers are pro gun. One of my best friends is a police officer and we shoot together on a regular basis. Most of the officers in his dept and almost all of the Sherrif's Deputies around here are pro gun. The Deputies in particular recognize that they cannot be there when something happens in the rural areas. In some cases their response time may well be twenty minutes or more and they know your on your own.
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etex
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Yes, all that I know, but I live in East Texas.
2TransAms
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Most of the cops I know range from strongly pro-2A to indifferent. At least I don't know any outright anti-gun LEO's,although I'm sure they're around.
Sad,but understandable. Would you really not think twice about throwing away your medical and retirement? Sure,us Chairborne Rangers would take on the world without blinking an eye but in reality most people will simply follow orders,especially in a military or LEO environment. Ever heard of the Milgram experiment?
Cops are just people and their opinions vary widely just like ours do. I have never met a cop that was totally for gun control ( ie DC handgun ban). I have some cops in the family and they are mostly into hunting guns and handguns. Big surprise there. Its not like they don't like my AKs or AR15s but they consider those guns to be too much money. So yeah there are cops out there that do support the 2A.
I don't blame the OP for asking the question at all. Even here in Louisiana aka "Sportsman Paradise," I have to remind myself what I just said above.
I don't blame the OP for asking the question at all. Even here in Louisiana aka "Sportsman Paradise," I have to remind myself what I just said above.
Gladius
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I've known several.
They tended to be older, more street-smart. They all supported self-defense.
I knew one old timer, who carried a Colt Gold Cup, cocked n' locked, who told me, "I don't care what kind of guns anyone has, so long as they aren't shooting them at me it's none of my business."
Another told me he had no problem with Concealed Weapons. "Folks carry anyway, good or bad. At least this way the good guys have a way of carrying without getting hassled."
I bought my first handgun -- a S&W 645 -- from a cop (when I was 19 years old!!! Probably not as big a deal in those days, but still...)
Firearm Instructors tend to be universally pro-gun, in my experience. At least all the Instructors I've had were. I had the pleasure of knowing a couple real-life CSI guys, who were very pro gun ("Those victims wouldn't have been victims if they'd been able to shoot back!"). They also had wonderfully dark sense of humor, which is another topic altogether....
And then there was the guy who first taught me how to shoot, how to handle firearms -- my father, a retired Deputy Sheriff. I grew up with loaded guns in the house, and the respect that goes along with them. Dad encouraged me to pursue firearms as an interest, regardless of whether I went into LE myself or not. He carried his .38 Model 60 (first generation!) right up until he passed away (It's a good thing I retired it to the safe... the ammo in his dump pouch was starting to turn green...
)
They tended to be older, more street-smart. They all supported self-defense.
I knew one old timer, who carried a Colt Gold Cup, cocked n' locked, who told me, "I don't care what kind of guns anyone has, so long as they aren't shooting them at me it's none of my business."
Another told me he had no problem with Concealed Weapons. "Folks carry anyway, good or bad. At least this way the good guys have a way of carrying without getting hassled."
I bought my first handgun -- a S&W 645 -- from a cop (when I was 19 years old!!! Probably not as big a deal in those days, but still...)
Firearm Instructors tend to be universally pro-gun, in my experience. At least all the Instructors I've had were. I had the pleasure of knowing a couple real-life CSI guys, who were very pro gun ("Those victims wouldn't have been victims if they'd been able to shoot back!"). They also had wonderfully dark sense of humor, which is another topic altogether....
And then there was the guy who first taught me how to shoot, how to handle firearms -- my father, a retired Deputy Sheriff. I grew up with loaded guns in the house, and the respect that goes along with them. Dad encouraged me to pursue firearms as an interest, regardless of whether I went into LE myself or not. He carried his .38 Model 60 (first generation!) right up until he passed away (It's a good thing I retired it to the safe... the ammo in his dump pouch was starting to turn green...
)
jrod
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I'm One! I love Guns and get to the range every chance I get. I also try to introduce as many people as I can to shooting. I also try to get rid of the negative stereotype about guns at every opportunity.
Ash
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I do. The spokeman for the Mississippi Highway Patrol in south Mississippi declared he preferred armed citizens as they kept bad guys more under control. Also, a former trooper (who was injured trying to save some real scumbags who were pinned under their flipped car while it was on fire) was pro-gun.
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jakemccoy
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I'm not a cop. I'm pro-gun. However, if I were a cop that showed up at a crime in motion, I'd want to be the only one with a gun. I think that would be the normal human response. I also think that it's possible for a cop to be so-called "pro gun" and still be one of those cops confiscating guns in those Katrina videos. Thus, the label "pro gun cop" may be an empty label.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
03Shadowbob
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I know quite a few down here in South Florida. These guys are usually the ones who are not power hungry, steroid using hot heads either.
Steve499
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I'm a retired State Trooper, worked 27 years. I worked for two Sheriffs as a Deputy Sheriff before that. I'm pro gun and always have been. I believe in concealed carry for everyone with a near religious fervor.
Regardless of what we'd like at the above mentioned " live crime scene," the facts are that wanting to be the only one there with a gun, and supporting laws you think further that goal, only ensures you'll be the only GOOD guy there with a gun. An honest man, armed or otherwise, is still an honest man, I always figured. Only thing is, disarmed he's a victim but armed he's an ally.
Sure, I've known a few anti-gun cops over the years. They were in the extreme minority in my experience and tended to percolate to the top like you-know-what. They get press from that position but the guys on the road doing the work often hold diametrically different views than the fearless leaders.
Big45
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Man, was that great to read.
Ativanivar
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Yes, I know several pro-gun, pro-carry officers/sheriffs. It's refreshing. Granted, I live in a smaller community... but there's still proportionate crime.
Totally agree! You might also find some cops who own 20+ guns and are very "pro gun"......for themelves, other cops and "hunters".
In my neck of the woods - most cops are very pro gun. An LEO taught my CCW course. The gun club I'm in also has many LEO folks who love to shoot competition with cops and non-cops......
I would imagine you'll find more anti's in the large cities. That's just my guess.
thebaldguy
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I know several pro gun law enforcement officers. They agree that people should be allowed to legally carry firearms for personal defence. There are some in my city who disagree with the "shall issue" laws, but they realize there is nothing they can do.
Feanaro
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Offhand, I don't know of a police officer in my area who is anti-gun.
Frog48
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Depends on what you consider "pro-gun"...
Some cops, much like the general population, dont have a problem with stereotypical traditional/hunting type guns, yet have a strong distaste for civilian-ownership of "assault weapons".
With that said, I know several cops that are very pro-gun, and have no problem with normal folks owning AR's, AK's, hi-cap mags, etc.
My best friend's father-in-law is one of them. He's retired from the Hurst, TX police dept.
Some cops, much like the general population, dont have a problem with stereotypical traditional/hunting type guns, yet have a strong distaste for civilian-ownership of "assault weapons".
With that said, I know several cops that are very pro-gun, and have no problem with normal folks owning AR's, AK's, hi-cap mags, etc.
My best friend's father-in-law is one of them. He's retired from the Hurst, TX police dept.
kentucky bucky
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I would be hard for me to find a anti-gun cop where I live. (I know a bunch) They don't want everybody to have guns, just the sane, law abiding good guys. Most of the anti-gun cops are from big city police organizations or state governments and are into politics up to their eyeballs.
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