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redcon1 said:
I had a similar experience or, at least, I learned similar lessons from a not entirely similar experience. I was running low on gas as I drove south through New Mexico on vacation and so I was eager to fuel up. I came across a sleepy little town with a couple stoplights and a couple gas stations and so I stopped at one of them for fuel. It happened to be closed but they were nice enough to let you pump gas with a credit card despite this and so I did and while I was pumping gas, I noticed three individuals come out of the shadows and walk into my general area. I smelled the ambush coming immediately and told my wife to lock her door. I had a holstered J frame .357 in my door which was open and I managed to grab it and hide it behind my back with one hand while I continued to pump gas with the other. One of these individuals positioned himself next to the passenger side of the car a foot or two away from my wife in the passenger seat and maybe 10-12 feet away from me but with the truck between us. A second individual, a woman, positioned herself by the road clearly acting as a lookout about 15 yards away. The third individual was the one I took to be their leader and he walked past me as I pumped gas and muttered some BS about needing to get a drink as he walked around the corner of the gas station to see if there was anyone else in the bathroom I presume. And then he turned around and came back towards me. At this time, I knew exactly what was happening and I had secured that tiny little 5 shot snub nosed .357 magnum and I knew my wife's door was locked and I had a few seconds to make a plan of attack and my plan was pretty simple, I was just going to shoot this guy as soon as he made his move and as he's looking in my eyes and I'm looking in his, he realized that this wasn't going to be easy money. And I wasn't just looking at him, I was pretty much snarling like a dog, teeth bared and all and my head was filled with rage and evil and my eyes were locked on his eyes. It was very clear to him that I knew what was going on and i was ready to fight. And so he looked at the guy positioned on the opposite side of my truck by my wife and shook his head "no" ever so slightly and they all immediately withdrew from their positions and disappeared back into the shadows from whence they came. And my wife and I got the hell out of there with more than a few lessons learned. I learned the lessons of situational awareness, defensive readiness, EDC size and capacity and I learned how criminals are a lot like wolves. They have a organizational structure, they have a plan, they have a leader and they all have a role to play within their plan. So ever since that day, I have viewed the J frame as a BUG and I have carried some kind of a Glock pistol with a high capacity magazine. I was happy to have that 5 shot .357 revolver for sure but I would have been a lot happier with a Glock and 17 rounds of 9mm. The 340PD would have probably been enough for the one guy closest to me but after that threat was dealt with, I don't know that it would have been enough to contend with the other two threats if they decided to fight. It probably wouldn't have been. In the case of this home invasion in the OP's video, I would definitely want a low recoiling high capacity 9mm as they entered the "fatal funnel" of that narrow corridor and doorway and a sighting aid such as a laser or a RDS would be pretty handy there too.
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OMG bro, paragraphs are a thing
 
Night Rider said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
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No.

Night Rider said:
I infer from that the home Invaders usually know who they're hitting.
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What might "usually" tell us?

Night Rider said:
It's usually not just some random crime where they walk down the street knocking on doors and kick in the first one that opens.
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I wouldn't put any stock at all in "usually".

Night Rider said:
So what I get from the particular post that we're discussing is the poster believes the home Invaders targeted that house specifically for a reason
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I cannot imagine why. It is crystal clear that the perps tired several houses, "randomly", if you will--before finding one in which the resident opened the door.

That is not uncommon in our area.

Even if the videos did not show the perps trying other houses, we would have no basis whatsoever from which to conclude that the particular victim had been "targeted".
 
Kleanbore said:
Do you believe that you could use it to stop incoming rounds?

If it were noticed and reported, how would you justify that?
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Great questions, thank you for asking.
No, a gun won't stop incoming fire, but I can certainly participate in a gunfight much better with one than without one. First lesson of a gunfight I learned is to bring a gun- a lesson that has served me well on many occasions, which I'm sure you can personally attest to as well. As far as my gun being "noticed and reported", I am able to mitigate the chances of my gun being noticed from some of the training I got in a former occupation (that you guys paid for) and knowing the interior layout of my entire house, and specifically the immediate area around the points of entry. I don't have to "justify" the fact that I have a gun in my hand in my own house to anyone if it is in fact seen and someone reports what they think they may have seen. I'm not going to the door with a pistol at full presentation and flinging the door open to answer it like I'm doing a closet or furniture check during a raid in ramadi.
 
FL-NC said:
I don't have to "justify" the fact that I have a gun in my hand in my own house to anyone if it is in fact seen and someone reports what they think they may have seen.
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Do you have a basis for that belief?
 
The point that should immediately be noticed here is the "fatal funnel". A smart tactically thinking home owner would recognize how that corridor funneled every one of those bad guys towards and into the doorway. One man with a Glock 17 and the proper mind set could have pretty easily stopped every one of those bad guys in a matter of seconds. I sure would have. That video would have been much more interesting if I had been the homeowner.
 
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No.Even if the videos did not show the perps trying other houses, we would have no basis whatsoever from which to conclude that the particular victim had been "targeted".
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We would absolutely have a basis, your buddy Jeff White who was probably dealt with this more than you and I ever will says it according to his experience a home invasion is usually a targeted assault
 
Night Rider said:
We would absolutely have a basis, your buddy Jeff White who was probably dealt with this more than you and I ever will says it according to his experience a home invasion is usually a targeted assault
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Is "usually" 51% 60?

The event cited in the OP was not one of those supposed "usual" cases. But should that matter to anyone?
 
redcon1 said:
"…A smart tactically-thinking homeowner would recognize how that corridor funneled every one of those bad guys towards and into the doorway. One man with a Glock 17 and the proper mind set could have pretty easily stopped every one of those bad guys in a matter of seconds…"
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Those three young thugs were moving at a fast rate of speed, with drawn guns, to a homeowner of unknown age, unknown skills, and unknown mobility unfortunately standing in a known spot. Yikes.

His best tactic was to be AWAY FROM THE DOOR not engaging them from mere inches away.
 
Kleanbore said:
Do you have a basis for that belief?
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Florida law is pretty clear on the matter IMO, not to mention that every time a gun in anyone's home migrates to a person's vehicle for a range or hunting trip, or to the shed to be cleaned, or to another room for storage, etc., I'm certain that they are almost always transported by hand.
 
FL-NC said:
Florida law is pretty clear on the matter IMO,
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Yes it is. The issue is how the facts are evaluated according to testimony and oher evidence.

FL-NC said:
every time a gun in anyone's home migrates to a person's vehicle for a range or hunting trip, or to the shed to be cleaned, or to another room for storage, etc., I'm certain that they are almost always transported by hand.
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Long arms, sure, but it is prudent to carry them in cases.The issue RE: having a firearm in ones hand when anwering the door is"why...why did you tak eit to the door...what did you intend to do with it?"

Not to mention that it would be a bad tactic. If I am concerned about someone at my door, I do not want to expose myself to them.
 
I consider myself fairly competent in tactics techniques, and procedures to survive a violent encounter, though in all honesty, I generously grade myself as "average" when I compare myself to those who I have been lucky enough to serve beside, and acknowledge that I often "stood on the shoulders of giants". That said, I do my best to conduct my daily activities lawfully, as viewed through through my lens of common sense and what is reasonable. I avoid gambles and accept risk when I deem it to be acceptable.
For situations where I may find myself out of my "comfort zone" or "element", I defer to professionals that have the pedigree to work in their own fields of expertise- attorneys, doctors, and so on. And when I pay them to do a job, I let them do it. Part of that is saying and doing as I am told.
 
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