Do you reload for other people?

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i did; I had my 06 and all required bonding and paid the excise taxes and collected the sales taxes and kept all the records and jumped thru all the hoops for 10 years. No More, I'm retired now and I shoot everything I load and load everything I shoot. I've let it all lapse, sent out the notices and am enjoying my retirement. I never had a problem with any customer except in the early days doing custom loads I didn't get money up front and sometimes the customer didn't want to pay for what he had ordered, but I did have written and signed order forms so it was a simple matter of pay and take your order or we end up in small claims court and I load for the judge. End of problem!!!!
 
I don't reload for anyone except my wife. If my nephew runs out of ammo at the range, I'll let him shoot some of my .38 spls. I've had several people ask me to reload some ammo that is hotter than factory or published data. Talk about a lawsuit waiting to happen! I don't know where this idea that "hotter is better" comes from.I've always thought that the reason to reload is to make ammo that is safe, reliable, and more accurate than what I can buy.


Sorry if I got off topic a little.
 
I used to reload with a friend (split costs, labor, ammo) we would load for 3-4 hours on a day off, and split the ammo. I would NEVER load for anyone else. Even your best friend would sue to get insurance money out of you to cover a $100k medical bill.:what:
 
I handload for me, my son, and my wife. I have made ammo for my Dad before but I hated doing it. I have some 30-30 rounds that I have made alot of (150 gr LFP with 7.7 gr of Trail boss) that I shot up with a couple of buddies.

I just don't feel that comfortable with making sidearm ammo for other people so I don't do it.

LGB
 
I don't mean to brag, but *my* friends are smart enough not to shoot someone else's reloads.

Tim
 
Not a good idea. This is from the ATF.gov website: (Manufacturers FAQ)

Is one who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?

Yes, if he engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purposes of livelihood or profit. No, if he reloads only for his own use.

Use your own judgement.
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Bingo - the Feds have plenty of cozy snug rooms for folks who do and charge. Lawyers make yacht payments for suing folks who do......
 
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Not a good idea. This is from the ATF.gov website: (Manufacturers FAQ)

Is one who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?

Yes, if he engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purposes of livelihood or profit. No, if he reloads only for his own use.

Use your own judgement.
Bingo - the Feds have plenty of cozy snug rooms for folks who do and charge. Lawyers make yacht payments for suing folks who do......
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then i quit!
 
I quit because the fed excise tax and the state sales tax and the insurance/bonding was just getting to be too much and I was jumping thru all the hoops. It looks like the hoops are going to get smaller and closer together as we move into the wonderful "New Future".
 
Yes. I'm a licensed ammunition manufacturer. I load and sell ammunition commercially and supply the local LE agencies with training ammunition.
 
No, I have enough to do as is. Any time I spend reloading will be for me and my firearms. Thats why I call it my hobby.
 
Archangel
I didn't even know you could get a reloading license. How do you get one?
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Action_Can_Do,
As you can see from the posts, all the information needed to apply to become a "licensed ammunition manufacturer" is supplied on the ATF web site. I'm not licensed so I really don't know all the procedures but if you can't find the information on the ATF site I'm sure the members on this site who are licensed wouldn't mind facing you in the right direction. BTW, it's not the license that's the hard part, it's the liability insurance that's the killer...
 
New item entering the class 06 FFL world is the US State dept. and their proposal for a $1750.00 annual fee in addition to the FFL fee and 11% Federal Excise tax that is collected on every round you manufacture for sale. That FEX tax is collected on ammunition made of all virgin components and all remanufactured ammunition. Then there is the state rules, ordinances, and taxes to take into consideration. Then you get into insurance, fire codes and all the local zoning and ordinances. Check it out, its amazing, the only other one man business that I know of that gets more complicated is Industrial and Decorative Plating.
 
New item entering the class 06 FFL world is the US State dept. and their proposal for a $1750.00 annual fee in addition to the FFL fee
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This is nothing new. It's been like this since the ITAR was passed. Current fee is $2250 and it is not proposed, it is the law. The 06 FFL for ammunition manufacturing (including components) is $30 for a 3 year term.


and 11% Federal Excise tax that is collected on every round you manufacture for sale.
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Yes, except ammunition for LE, the DoD, and Coast Guard are FET exempt. All other agencies have to pay the FET.

That FEX tax is collected on ammunition made of all virgin components and all remanufactured ammunition.
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Yes that is true however if you use the customer brass, reload it, and send that exact brass back to them as loaded ammunition there is no FET due.

Then there is the state rules, ordinances, and taxes to take into consideration.
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Luckily in MI and my village there are no laws regulating the firearms industry. Taxes are paid according to the normal tax schedule for sales and income. No biggie.

Then you get into insurance, fire codes and all the local zoning and ordinances.
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Insurance is $2100 per year for $1 million/ occurrence $2 million aggregate product liability insurance for ammunition manufacturers. I have no zoning in my village either.
 
handloading

i hand em a manual to read & if they are still interested i teach em on my equipment , looking over there shoulder of coarse .
the ones that continue are usually very carefull.
i teach em to control pressures & when it hits em just how much we`re working with it finally soaks thru skin, skull, & gray matter!!!

but me for another nope & don`t expect anybody else to load for me either!

GP100man:cool:
 
I will help someone reload using my press, dies, etc. We both do all aspects other than polishing brass as this is done earlier. I have them buy components that they are going to use. This way was it me or them that assembled that particular round. Can't sue me for what you manufactured can you? Also checking one another helps prevent mistakes from being missed. Always PAY ATTENTION!!
 
freakshow10mm,
So what you're saying is, it costs about $5,000 a year to do things legally. That's an awful lot of money to reload for a few friends! ;) That's a lot of good information freakshow10mm, I knew someone who has done it would be along to fill us in on the correct procedures and costs.
 
Yes, a little over $4,000 to do it legally. I've been a commercial ammunition manufacturer for almost two years now. The first 50,000 rounds I sell go to paying that off. Then again I am also a firearm manufacturer so I pay ITAR once for both manufacturing processes. Mostly the guns pay for the ITAR and the ammo does the insurance.
 
Despite the litigious era we live in, I'm still surprised more people don't load for others. Obviously they have good reasons not to. The only people I load for are my sister and a guy I have been friends with for 10 years. The only reason I reload for him is because 45 colt ammo is almost impossible to find, and the price for what you get is downright ridiculous. I don't go anywhere near max loads, and use powder that fills the case. I feel confidant that my loads are safe, but I check, double check, and triple check everything.
 
With one exception, I will sign on with the "it isn't a good idea for any number of reasons" crowd. I load for my wife and I and clean the guns too. Well worth the effort to have company. 'course there was that one time with her AR and an FC case mixed in with WCC on the 600 yd line. Even though the upper receiver bulged, everything went down thru the mag well. Luckily she has short arms and hers isn't under the mag well. And wouldn't ya know it, I had to work and wasn't at the match. Maybe that is why she has a DNR clause in my will?????????
 
I have loaded for others on occasion. No problems at all if you are more cautious then when you load for yourself. I inspect every case, trim every case and gauge it. Weigh every charge and fill the block then inspect them all under good light. Load everything on a single stage so you can't hurry or shortcut. I have loaded 223 for a FA with no worries and 9mm, 38, 357, & 45 to train others on. Time is something I have and I don't hurry.

I load my own ammo the same way. I took the automatic advance thingy out of my Loadmaster so I have to look at every charge then advance by hand. The only thing I have to worry about are the variables I have no control over like a bad primer or a split case that didn't look bad or sound bad.

I also own nothing and have nothing so there is nothing to take. :evil: I load for friends that know this and understand this and are welcome to use my equipment if they have time. If not I will load what they bring parts for.

I load for my wife and 2 oldest boys too with no worries that anything will happen.

Don't bother flaming or going ":what: he loads for others!!! OMG!!!" If you aren't comfortable doing it, don't. I have loaded 30k rounds for others in the last 2 years with nary a problem. Good load technique and no distractions are it. Just like you do for yourself.
 
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