Dragoon vs. 1858 New Model Army

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Here is a good reason to go with the 1858...

Cabela's is having a Last-Minute Deals! SALE December 19th-24th

The 8" or 5 1/2" Pietta 1858 Clones will be priced $179.99

There are also deals on shipping, and coupon dollars off out there you can add. This is a hard deal to pass up.
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That is a great deal but he wants a Uberti.

Any word on the street if/when Cabelas is going to lower the price on the 3rd model Dragoon?
 
That is a nice sounding deal, but I am pretty much set on a Uberti, preferably a Cimarron gun as I've heard great things about the company. I'm sure the Pietta would be just as good, but if I've learned anything about buying guns it's "buy the one you REALLY want!" or it will cause nothing but remorse.
 
Buy any Uberti, they are all the same. Really.

Taylors, S&S, Midway, Cimmaron, Impact Guns, Williams Sports, Dixie, etc., all sell them. Most are imported by Taylors and distributed to their dealers. Also simply call Taylors and ask them what local dealers have 1858's in stock. Not all are sold by mail order, my local hardware store in the middle of the Mojave Desert has them in stock believe it or not. You most certainly don't need to select Cimmaron above any other, and in fact I prefer non-Cimmaron imports as they do not have any non-authentic Cimmaron roll markings on the barrel. Otherwise they are all the same.


Willie

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I would have preferred an Uberti myself, but the cost of the Cabelas Pietta model made it easier to find it's way to me for Christmas! And since I'll likely get another one and a few extra cylinders it makes it a bit easier. It's only because their quality seems to have come up tremendously that I considered it.
 
I'd like to change my vote.
I vote for your first cap & ball revolver to be a $180 Pietta 1858 AND a dragoon clone both. It really is the only sensible answer to the problem.
 
Hmmmm weeelllll.... that sounds nice but I would rather go with the Uberti brand :) Not sure if it's the right choice.
 
It didn't used to be the case but the new Pietta's give up nothing to Uberti. If I were buying a new 1858, I would choose the Pietta.
 
I've heard Pietta has come up in quality quite a bit in recent years. My father was gifted a Colt 1851 Navy in .44 that was a Pietta recently. It is a handsome gun, it's a brass frame short barrel (I think 4") so it isn't exactly authentic historically but it had features me and my siblings thought my Dad would enjoy. Still, I think a Cimarron gun is what I will settle on, foolish or otherwise. I just keep reading about how good there customer service is. Texas Jacks has '58 New Model Armies for $299.

Thank you everybody for helping me on my new firearms quest! In the past few days I've started to lurk the black powder section on the forum, and I'm glad to see there is a vibrant and friendly community I can learn from :)
 
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Still, I think a Cimarron gun is what I will settle on, foolish or otherwise.
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I have a number of Pietta and Uberti BP revolvers. I tend to favor my Uberti revolvers because I can see the difference in the final finish. The Piettas all function properly. Other than Pietta's "Guido the Gorilla" putting in wedges too tight I don't have a problem with Pietta. My comment on Uberti is just aesthetic "fineness" of the finish. I don't think anyone considers your choice foolish. In the end you'll end up with a mix of Uberti and Pietta so you may as well take the plunge now and get that Uberti you want.
 
I have nine Uberti's and four Pietta's. The two late model Pietta's are at least as nice as any of the Uberti's and for the most part, smoother. Both my best and worst Uberti's came from Cimarron. If I can't inspect before purchase, which is my preference, I do not consider one brand over the other.
 
" Texas Jacks has '58 New Model Armies for $299"


Yes but:

Texas Jacks has Piettas for that price.

Check VERY CAREFULLY what you're buying there.

Non branded guns are Pietta. "Cimmaron" branded ones are Ubertis.


Willie

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I should have mentioned that all my Piettas are 2009 or newer. Supposedly, this is during the period where manufacturing improved. I don't have an old Pietta to compare against. In the interest of full disclosure I had a problem with a Uberti where the barrel was cocked just slightly off center. I returned it for a replacement that was perfect. In my instances where I have not been 100% satisfied the retailer has always replaced the firearm and they have paid the shipping charges both ways. For this reason I don't feel compelled to have to inspect it prior to the purchase. Needless to say, when you are shipped a firearm you need to fully inspect it. Contact the retailer immediately if you have a problem. And...always purchase from one of the respected retailers with a good reputation if you want to have then stand by your purchase.
 
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My first two Pietta's were bought back around 2005 and they're pretty rough, inside and out.

I always urge folks to inspect Italian replicas before purchase if at all possible, or anything else for that matter. I have picked up plenty of brand new Uberti's, Ruger's and S&W's that had unacceptable factory flaws. When I buy them at Dixie Gun Works, I ask that they bring out at least two or three for me to choose from. Retailers are not going to happily pay shipping for you to nitpick through their inventory.
 
Howdy

I bought a couple of Pietta 1860s a few years ago when they were on sale at Cabelas. I wish I had spent a few more dollars on a pair of Ubertis. I was not pleased with the burrs that had been left on the outside of the frames, then case hardened over. Grinding off the burrs would have made it stand out like a sore thumb. The burrs should have been removed before the final finish was put on the frames. Call me picky.
 
Willie Sutton said:
" Texas Jacks has '58 New Model Armies for $299"


Yes but:

Texas Jacks has Piettas for that price.

Check VERY CAREFULLY what you're buying there.

Non branded guns are Pietta. "Cimmaron" branded ones are Ubertis.


Willie

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I spoke to a fella over there about that and he said that is not true. It just doesn't have their name on the barrel.
 
I think pistolero numero uno for me will be a Remmy New Mod. Army, I have heard that they are really good guns for a first time black powder percussion revolver owner. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and adivce! I love you all. :D
 
"I spoke to a fella over there about that and he said that is not true. It just doesn't have their name on the barrel"


I really doubt that. And I mean respectfully... it's just not likely to be true. Their lower priced arms are Piettas.

You probably spoke to the same guy there who told me that there were no unauthentic markings on the ones I wanted, and that he would check the actual revolvers to make sure. He didn't, and they came with barrel markings saying "Address Saml Cotl, New Jork" on the top. Naturally they went back, and I had to fight for a refund. So... I'm not too saguine about the quality of information given by Texas Jack's.


Just from an economics standpoint, there's no way they can sell Uberti's for that price, and no reason at all anyone would spend more for other ones marked "Address Cimmaron, Fredricksburg Texas" on the top of the barrel when they are just another Uberti with another marking on them. There's just no way that this makes any sense at all.


If you want to send off your money and find out for sure... well.... have at it.


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Willie, I have to agree with you. I think some folks need to justify that they are getting something special when they buy from these guys (Cimarron, Taylor, et al) at jacked up prices when in actuality it is just another Uberti same as the others. It's their money so....
Not me. I own both Uberti and Pietta brands and have found that the quality of both to be the same overall (Guns manufactured in last 5 to 7 years).
 
Just from an economics standpoint, there's no way they can sell Uberti's for that price, and no reason at all anyone would spend more for other ones marked "Address Cimmaron, Fredricksburg Texas" on the top of the barrel when they are just another Uberti with another marking on them. There's just no way that this makes any sense at all.
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I don't know, people do that with Colt's all the time. :evil:
 
Well I think I'll go with an Uberti gun regardless. I've read numerous people claiming the higher fit and finish of Cimarron guns versus stock Ubertis, but I've heard just as many totally denounce it. What am I supposed to believe? LOL. But I have always heard if I truly want the better gun, get an Uberti of some sort and that's what I plan to do.
 
^^ lots of us here have several of each. Data point: I've probably got 50 cap and ball replicas in my collection. Examples from Colt 2nd and 3rd Gen, ASM, Pietta, Centaure, and Uberti. I've got ones marked Richardson, Replica Arms, Navy Arms, and more. I've got Uberti examples imported by all three current importers, Stoeger, Taylor's, and Cimarron. Among all of the replicas the Centaur 1960 is the best. I've got a dozen if them as a sub-collection. The Colt second generations are nice. Third generations not bad either. Among the rest the Uberti ones are nicest. And there's no difference in the quality of Uberti ones from any of the importers. Cimarron is just one of three.

The newest Piettas are reported to be better than the older ones, but until they lose the graffiti on the barrel I'm not a buyer. I don't buy Rugers or other modern arms with "read manual before using" stamped on them either. Maybe that's just me.


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