Drugs and Guns

[omahanew]

"I feel that drugs and alcohol should be treated the same way... restrictions and punishments."

Who would you rather deal with? Some stoned out of their mind (and so incapable of much movement) or some drunk with a twelve-pack of Bud in their system?

 

[pacodelahoya]

keep your freedom

If I can be arrested and imprisoned for something that affects no one but myself, how is it that I am free? Especially when the judge that sentences me has just come bck from lunch where he had two martinis and a fine cigar!!!!


The govenment has no bidness telling adults what they can own, ingest or who they can have sex with.

Freedom means freedom, not nanny statism. Don't confuse morality with patriotism.

 

[pcosmar]

The RKBA is a Right. Period..!!
I worry about many using legal drugs.
That does not change a Right.

 

[mmafan]

The war on drugs is not just bad social policy its also an abysmal failure, not much different from alcohol prohibiton in the 20's and 30's.

All these "wars on (poverty, drugs, guns, crime, terrorism, etc)" is just another way for the government to scare people into giving up their liberties.

As a former correctional officer, I used to be astounded as I watched convicted murders being released from prison after doing 15 years, while drug offenders were getting 30 plus. It made no sense to me to waste the states precious resources locking up non violent offenders longer then violent ones for selling substances that people actually want to use.

I dont use drugs or condone their use, but the idea that its perfectly legal to drink yourself to death with alchohol and yet your a criminal if you take a toke off a joint is absurd to me.

Especially when you consider that all medical studies have shown that marijuana is a much much milder drug then alchohol and even has some medicinal qualities.

When was the last time you ever heard of someone overdosing on marijuana?
You probably have not, as its almost impossible to do so, yet people die routinely from alchohol poisoning.

Of course people are not rational, so why should we expect them to elect rational politicians. /sigh

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Man i havent heard "ludes" in a long time.

"People on ludes should not drive, hahahahaha"


anyone?

 

[theken206]

Prohabition doesnt work, didnt work for booze, isnt workin on drugs, amd will not work on firearms.

Legalize and decriminalize, END THE DRUG WAR


Qualudes are no longer made.



"If you truly value your RKBA you will not use illegal drugs.If you truly value your family you will not use illegal drugs. If you value being a law abiding citizen of the greatest nation in the world you will not use illegal drugs. It's your choice. If you are convicted of illegal drug use ,possession , or distribution you are now convicted of most likely a felony and no longer have the right to keep and bear arms ,keep your freedom and take care of your family nor are you any longer a law abiding citizen. Until your sentence and/or parole for your crime are paid to society and you have asked to have your rights restored and it has been granted you are a part of the problem and not a help to the solution of the problem. Whether you are convicted or not you are still a part of the problem. Enough rambling- just the way I see it.":banghead::banghead:

that BS

the way I see it your dead wrong, I truly being a 2A activist goes hand in hand with being a drug controll reform activist.

If you truly value you country you wouldnt ever be willing to trade one freedom for another.


Legalize and decriminalize, END THE DRUG WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but I know it will never happen. Too much $$$$ too much power and social influence wielded by our "betters" to make real reform. Too much fear and hate of our neighboors and not enough love and understanding.

ken- the gun toting pissed off 19 yo hippie

BTW high mmafan, good screen name dude!!

 

[theken206]

"When was the last time you ever heard of someone overdosing on marijuana?
You probably have not, as its almost impossible to do so, yet people die routinely from alchohol poisoning."

IIRC it would take an estimated 40,000X the amount of THC that it takes in order for an individual to become "stoned" in order to become toxic in ones system.

blackfork is correct BTW

 

[Glockman17366]

""People on ludes should not drive, hahahahaha"


anyone?"

People on 'ludes would have a tough time finding their car...

"Who would you rather deal with? Some stoned out of their mind (and so incapable of much movement) or some drunk with a twelve-pack of Bud in their system?"

I'd be more wary of someone tweaked on meth. Never seen anyone cranked up...don't want to either.

BTW, anyone read about Guliani's South Carolina Campaign Manager (also Treasurer of SC) getting busted for 500 grams of cocaine? 500 grams is over a pound.
And that's a guy who is supposed to be a law maker! Not some gangbanger in Philadelphia...a straight up Yuppie looking Republican.

And...that's why the War on Drugs isn't winnable

 

[Crimper-D]

The emphasis here seems to be on ILLEGAL Drugs

But... I've known any number of PRESCRIPTION JUNKIES = who are just as dangerous with firearms as a Homeboy on crack..... But are mostly our law=abiding neighbors Hasty words, but worth a thought....

I wonder if ol' Rush Limbaugh has guns

 

[mmafan]

If you truly value you country you wouldnt ever be willing to trade one freedom for another.

Exactly in order to have freedom, you must be willing to give it.

 

[alucard0822]

Marijuana was criminalized and demonized in much the same way that guns are now by spreading fear, misinformation, and bias/racism through the media, "reformists" and ruling elite. Just take a quick look at the role William Randolph Hurst has played in pivotal events, he practically started the spanish-american war through "imaginative journalism". The current laws bar people from ownership based upon drug related convictions in addition to felonies, court ordered commitals and so on. I belive if one likes to tweek out, get stoned, get drunk, or is simply happy without chemical interference the government should not act unless people are put in harms way by their actions, driving drunk,stoned or recklessly are all the same crime IMO. RKBA should not be taken away from anyone as long as they are not a danger. If someone is crazy and has to be institutionalized they may be a danger, if someone is incarcerated for say, burglary then they are a danger, if someone steals to support a drug habbit they are a danger, but if someone is content to just grab a joint and a couple beers at home they are not a danger.

 

[BBQJOE]

Every anti has a set frame of mind that is pretty much unchangeable.
Guns are bad, period. Legal guns, illegal guns, they're all bad.
Most have probably never shot before either.

Then there are those who see drugs the same way,
and have the same strong convictions.

Bottom line?
You are responsible for your actions however, whenever, whatever you do.

 

[mmafan]

belive if one likes to tweek out, get stoned, get drunk, or is simply happy without chemical interference the government should not act unless people are put in harms way by their actions, driving drunk,stoned or recklessly are all the same crime IMO.

I agree, heck if it was up to me, two consenting adults could duel each other to the death with pocket knives for all I care.

As long as they are not hurting someone else, who cares?

I support freedom, even if it means letting the herd thin itself a bit.

 

[MrTwigg]

Drug users + firearms = bad juju.

Many users are addicts. People addicted to any substance will do things which are ...not good. Either for / to themselves or to others.

 

[QuestionEverything]

Alcohol is much more dangerous when combined with firearms than most other drugs with the exceptions of crack cocaine and meth. Alcohol impairs judgment and is culturally linked to feelings of aggression and fearlessness, which is not good when guns enter the picture. Marijuana does not impair judgment and acts as a sedative, making violent behavior unlikely. Stimulants can make you high-strung, but aside from meth they don't carry as much risk of violent and irrational behavior as alcohol does. Hallucinogens like LSD and mushrooms distort perceptions, but they don't impair judgment and almost never promote aggression. And most users of heroin and other opiates would be hard-pressed to find the willpower to pull a trigger while high.

 

[Glockman17366]

"Alcohol is much more dangerous when combined with firearms than most other drugs with the exceptions of crack cocaine and meth. Alcohol impairs judgment and is culturally linked to feelings of aggression and fearlessness, which is not good when guns enter the picture. Marijuana does not impair judgment and acts as a sedative, making violent behavior unlikely. Stimulants can make you high-strung, but aside from meth they don't carry as much risk of violent and irrational behavior as alcohol does. Hallucinogens like LSD and mushrooms distort perceptions, but they don't impair judgment and almost never promote aggression. And most users of heroin and other opiates would be hard-pressed to find the willpower to pull a trigger while high."

Boy...you've tried all those intoxicants?

Seriously...pot impairs your judgement...you may not get violent (as long as there's enough twinkies to go around...), but you can still do some mighty stupid things! And, that is the voice of experience...just 30 some years ago.

 

[pcosmar]

Many users are addicts. People addicted to any substance will do things which are ...not good. Either for / to themselves or to others.

? Yeah?
Riddlin
Zoloft
Valium
Prilosec
Viagra
Codeine
It amazes me sometimes, how a bunch of otherwise intelligent folks can display so much ignorance.

 

[yhtomit]

"Personally, I feel that drugs and alcohol should be treated the same way... restrictions and punishments."

"Anyway....as a person of libertarian bent...yes, drugs should be treated like alcohol."

But there you go repeating yourself

Alcohol's a drug. It's just one that has wide social favor.

Remember, the government is so unconcerned with truth that both cocaine and marijuana are labeled "narcotics." (Neither is, in reality.)

How about this: anyone who uses the addictive, government subsidized street* drug derived from plants in the genus Nicotiana is hereby forbidden from using firearms, forever.

timothy

* In the sense of easy availability -- i.e. it is not a "high class" drug as powder cocaine was considered in the early to mid 70s at least.

 

[Torque]

Drugs suck. Plain and simple. (btw, Alcohol IS a drug)

 

[theken206]

change MJ to guns and place this 10 years from now, how does it sound now??


from the norml website

"Marijuana prohibition needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country. More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. This is a misapplication of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and wastes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime."

 

[BBQJOE]

What I know is, that no person who uses drugs should be allowed to even OWN a gun. A person who uses drugs and abuses alcohol is not in their right minds.

You are speaking as a person who obviously was unable to show any self control.
People who have no self-control certainly shouldn't own firearms either.

Being as you are in the great rehab state of MN, I applaud you for your decision to get clean and sober, and wish you many years of it.

But remember not everyone (who uses or used any drugs) goes as overboard as you did.

 

[Firethorn]

Personally, I believe that in any widespread legalization of drugs would tend to stop the usage of many of the more hazardous forms of drugs; meth and crack would virtually disappear.

Why? Look at prohibition - stronger, more compact versions of alcohol such as liquers took over from less dense versions like beer and wine.

Why did this occur? Beer and wine were just as illegal as whiskey. They were also much harder to hide, and took longer to give somebody their high.

Once prohibition ended, by amount of alcohol sold, beer and wine regained their favor, easily outdoing the liquers.

Only a very select portion of the populace actually constantly seek a 'greater high'. Personally, I'd love it if they could seek that high in the relative safety offered by the old 'opium dens' which also acted as a hostel/guard house that you didn't leave until you were relativly sober.

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

People who have used drugs? No. I see no reason to differentiate any sort of recreational drugs from, for instance, alcohol or caffeine.

People who carry while they are on drugs is a different matter.

 

[Glockman17366]

Quote:
"Personally, I feel that drugs and alcohol should be treated the same way... restrictions and punishments."

Quote:
"Anyway....as a person of libertarian bent...yes, drugs should be treated like alcohol."

But there you go repeating yourself

My goodness, yhtomit...you're quoting from two different posts and telling us we're repeating ourselves!
My Gawd, man...are you stoned????

 

[Torque]

You are speaking as a person who obviously was unable to show any self control.
People who have no self-control certainly shouldn't own firearms either.

Being as you are in the great rehab state of MN, I applaud you for your decision to get clean and sober, and wish you many years of it.

But remember not everyone (who uses or used any drugs) goes as overboard as you did

Self control and MN have nothing to do with it!! It is drugs and alcohol. Cunning, baffling, and powerful. If you have kids, wait until one day they 'develop lack of self control' or one of their kids do. Then who's to blame for not teaching them 'self control'. Maybe you, you frickin moron. Some people just don't understand. :banghead:

I just knew if I disclosed that much information about myself some dickhead would 'label' me. BBQJOE you don't know me so don't even act like you do. That goes for any other comments about me from anyone here. I share myself for enlightenment and conversation not to be ridiculed.

Capeesh?