Drugs and Guns

[swingpress]

Related laws should apply to the possession of firearms under the influence, not bar a the purchase.

I'm doubtful that anyone in the habit of useing ILLEGAL drugs will accurately report that fact on a 4473. Honestly, I think we need to get rid of it and NICS all together.

 

[mmafan]

Torque, I appreciate you telling your story, it was a brave thing to admit to.

However I disagree with you on many levels.

The first being is that not everyone who uses drugs, that being any drug, alchohol, marijuana, nicotine, even caffeine is an addict.

A Drug is any chemical or biological substance, synthetic or non-synthetic, that when taken into the organism's body, will in some way alter the functions of that organism.

I mean under that definition even caffeine is a drug.

The way I see it is that if someone commits a serious crime and harms someone, then they should lose their rights, but until that happens, you are really just speculating about their behavior because of your own prejudices.

I know many causual marijuana smokers who other then the fact that they occasionally toke up, are perfectly normal people who work, pay their taxes, educated their children and what not. Its insane that we criminalize these people because they occasionally smoke a joint.

Another aspect is that if drugs were legal, then the production of them would become regulated, just as alcohol is. I mean just look at the difference between moonshine and the stuff you buy in the store.

The idea that all drug users are raving addicts hellbent on destruction and mayhem is pure propaganda. Drugs have alway been a part of society and it wasnt until recently that the prohibition of them has become common. Native
Americans for instance used to use "magic mushrooms" for their vision quest, and what not.

Anyway I am getting off my soapbox for now.

 

[Torque]

P.S. mmafan your response to my overdisclosure is they way people really need to talk to people. Unlike the other response I received. Thank you.

 

[theken206]

"Give them to every drug user and everykind of drug. ****, if you passed the 6th grade then when your 18 you get a gun for your birthday and every year there after. No matter what you do with your life and how many needles you stick in your arm or how many cups of coffee you had or how many cigs you've smoked or drinks you've had or how many drugs you didn't do. Everybody should have 1 gun or 2 hell why not 200 guns. Especially the drug addicts! All of you with FFL's out there it is sell a crack head a AK-47 month!"

may I just say huh???

 

[pacodelahoya]

torque

Self control and MN have nothing to do with it. It is drugs and alcohol

The drugs and alcohol did not jump into your mouth or bloodstream, you took them.

I did not read bbqjoe's post as ridiculing. You said yourself that you were out of control and bbqjoe simply said that then you should not own guns while out of control and he also wished you well and continued sobriety.

Do you think that everyone who has used or does use hard drugs becomes an addict??

Do people who drink a beer now and then, are they alcoholics??

If your answer is no, then explain why some people can use occasionaly with little or no adverse effects and other people can't seem to keep the monkey off their back.

 

[BBQJOE]

Wow!
I was not ridiculing you. I even congratulated you for your sobriety!

But that's okay, you can call me what you like.

 

[Torque]

Whatever post gone. I have decided not to share one thing about myself here again. Those who seen it know, but whatever.

 

[Alphazulu6]

"Give them to every drug user and everykind of drug. ****, if you passed the 6th grade then when your 18 you get a gun for your birthday and every year there after. No matter what you do with your life and how many needles you stick in your arm or how many cups of coffee you had or how many cigs you've smoked or drinks you've had or how many drugs you didn't do. Everybody should have 1 gun or 2 hell why not 200 guns. Especially the drug addicts! All of you with FFL's out there it is sell a crack head a AK-47 month!"

WoW for an outsider just browsing these columns one could come to the conclusion there are alot of pot smokin, illegal CC'n individuals HAHAHA!!!! Ok that was a joke as I just was reading the post of all the people who dont have a CCL and still carry in their workplace

To answer your question of what is a LUDE I can leave you with this:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For Quaalude, a drug referred to on the street as ludes, see Methaqualone.

aka: just another rediculous junk drug used by kids (popular in the 90s) to get high.

I think that if you use drugs your stupid and really should be able to keep your firearms. Just lose your life

GOD BLESS AMERICA
Be safe!

 

[pacodelahoya]

WoW for an outsider just browsing these columns one could come to the conclusion there are alot of pot smokin, illegal CC'n individuals HAHAHA!!!!

Liberty and freedom means you have to tolerate things that you don't particularly believe in.

The amount of supposedly pro rights people who are so quick to want to ban things that they don't like continually amazes me.

 

[QuestionEverything]

Boy...you've tried all those intoxicants?

Seriously...pot impairs your judgement...you may not get violent (as long as there's enough twinkies to go around...), but you can still do some mighty stupid things! And, that is the voice of experience...just 30 some years ago.

I've never smoked marijuana, but I've had plenty of opportunities to observe its effects, and I've never witnessed or heard of marijuana being linked to the kind of irresponsible and destructive behavior that alcohol is. Compare the number of drunk driving fatalities to the number of stoned driving fatalities. Someone who's drunk is more likely to think "I should get the shotgun out and dry-fire at Joe, that would be hilarious!" than someone who's stoned, who would most likely have enough judgment left to avoid doing such a thing.

And of course I don't approve of any gun-handling when high. A person can use alcohol or pot or heroin or any other drug and they won't have any firearms-related accidents as long as they follow the ironclad rule that once the substances come out, the guns go away and stay away until everyone's sober again.

 

[theken206]

"I think that if you use drugs your stupid and really should be able to keep your firearms. Just lose your life"

wishing death upon others based on life choices that dont personaly affect you, real intelligent and real high road of you

 

[BBQJOE]

Liberty and freedom means you have to tolerate things that you don't particularly believe in.

The amount of supposedly pro rights people who are so quick to want to ban things that they don't like continually amazes me.

Yes, amazing.
Some forgot about that other unalienable right. The right for the pursuit of happiness, wherever YOU choose to look for it.

 

[Alphazulu6]

Originally Posted by Pacodelahoya
Liberty and freedom means you have to tolerate things that you don't particularly believe in.

Um... Liberty and Freedom does not mean I have to tolerate or condone illegal drug activities. And I do not believe that many others would either... or maybe I will be surprised by the posts???

Yes, amazing.
Some forgot about that other unalienable right. The right for the pursuit of happiness, where ever YOU choose to look for it.

Yep amazing.

 

[theken206]

***backspaces very non HR message***

just a thought though bud, this is the highroad not the highHORSE, maybe you should consider that

 

[Alphazulu6]

"I think that if you use drugs your stupid and really should be able to keep your firearms. Just lose your life"

wishing death upon others based on life choices that dont personaly affect you, real intelligent and real high road of you

WOW Yes Exactly! I am a supporter of the death penalty. I 100% feel if you think that drugs dont kill people anyway AND that my tax dollars are going to go to their rehabilitation 10 years from now you can forget it Theken206 (if I had my way it'd be a 6' drop for these junkies that bring crime and such to the neighborhoods of the inner cities while supporting the gangs with financial rewards due to their habits. And no you cannot dispute that Detroit Red.).

Ever seen a rehabilitation tank for junkies? Great..... Keep smoking it up Cheech and save the bong Chong. I think corporal punishment is a way to go with this one This is The High Road Website... not High Times Magazine... Take care!

 

[theken206]

is it un high road of me to want to crack a shin upside the head of a random stranger on the internet because of there beliefs?? because this dudes attitude and generalizations about other human being makes me want to kick him in the head

 

[Alphazulu6]

Theken206 posted: is it un high road of me to want to crack a shin upside the head of a random stranger on the internet because of there beliefs?? because this dudes attitude and generalizations about other human being makes me want to kick him in the head

Definitely some issues with physical aggression and hostility It is very important that you work on that. Just wish everyone well and say God Bless America (supporting corporal punishment since 1776)!

 

[mmafan]

(if I had my way it'd be a 6' drop for these junkies that bring crime and such to the neighborhoods of the inner cities while supporting the gangs with financial rewards due to their habits. And no you cannot dispute that Detroit Red.).


It funny you say that, because its the prohibition of drugs that brings financial rewards to inner city gangs. Banning drugs is what creates the black market for them to make their money.

Same thing with alcohol prohibition and the Mafia. Remember that guy called Al Capone?

Organized crime thrives off illegality. You could bet your butt that if firearms were prohibited a black market around them would also quickly grow up.

Also the prohibition of drugs is what helps to create the crime ridden junkies in the first place because it drives up the price of their fix, forcing them to resort to illegal methods to get money for their fix.

If drugs were legal and regulated junkies would be able to get their fix easily and inexpensively, elimitating the need for them to resort to crime to get high.

Its the reason most drunks do not commit high amounts of crime but other substance abusers do. Drunks can always go get a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 at the local store.

I would like to see the stats on the number of alchoholics in dry counties vs wet ones.

 

[theken206]

lol, nah man just with some people thinking they know whats right for the rest of us and then judging others based on there beliefs. just gets my proverbial panties all up in a bunch as it were

 

[fast eddie]

Kimbernut, you are spot on in my opinion.
I voted 'yes' because I interpreted the second option as: 'No, the RKBA should allow anyone to purchase a gun, regardless of drug use habits' and that doesn't sit well with me. I don't know where the line should be drawn but if one is ok with an admitted meth producer/user legally buying a firearm then I guess option two is the right choice. I didn't like option three either because it implies that firearm restrictions should apply to users of any illegal drug other than 'my' illegal drug of choice.

 

[theken206]

"It funny you say that, because its the prohibition of drugs that brings financial rewards to inner city gangs. Banning drugs is what creates the black market for them to make their money."

Noooooo, dont you start bringing that logic stuff into this no sir thats not fair at all now

 

[mmafan]

Noooooo, dont you start bringing that logic stuff into this no sir thats not fair at all now.

Its economics 101, unfortuantely most people receive very little economic education in school.

 

[alucard0822]

Ever seen a rehabilitation tank for junkies? Great..... Keep smoking it up Cheech and save the bong Chong. I think corporal punishment is a way to go with this one This is The High Road Website... not High Times Magazine... Take care!

not sure if I understand this one, so if you are found to posses or use drugs then you should be paddled into compliance


I think freedom and liberty mean that you have the choice weither or not to tolerate or associate with anything, as long as there is no harm done to the unwilling, somehow drugs seem to be a much larger social problem NOW than back when they were perfectly legal.

The end results of both gun bans and drug bans are akin to someone letting loose copperheads in their home to deal with a rodent problem and then scratching their heads as to why they have to be rushed to the hospital, then thinking "hey wait cobras eat both rodents and copperheads, that ones gotta work"

 

[BBQJOE]

Back on topic

I may have forgotten to write this:
Using any form of intoxicant while handling firearms IS a bad idea.

 

[MrTwigg]

Quote:
Many users are addicts. People addicted to any substance will do things which are ...not good. Either for / to themselves or to others.

? Yeah?
Riddlin
Zoloft
Valium
Prilosec
Viagra
Codeine
It amazes me sometimes, how a bunch of otherwise intelligent folks can display so much ignorance.

Read the whole thread, you'll be amazed to discover most of us are speaking of unlawfull drugs.

I managed to survive a childhood with a bunch of alcoholics in the house, dang near everyone I grew up with drank like a fish or was into pot, pills & psychedelic drugs. I never tried any of that garbage and as for drinking, I've been drunk exactly once in my life. I really didn't care for the experience.

After I got out of the service I spent a few months back home watching those idiots steal from each other and wreck their cars and then moved as far away from the whole sorry bunch as I could and never looked back.

Excuse me but right now I need to go do some of my own drugs, another cuppa coffee, and Alphagan for my glacoma.

There's drugs and than there's drugs. I'm certain we're not debating the issue of either over the counter or perscription medications here.