DSA arms may be producing domestic AUG! Yay!

[Warner]

I'm well familiar with both AUGs and ARs. IMO, the AUG absolutely kills and buries the AR in speed, ergonomics, toughness, practical accuracy and "cool" (among most other categories).

 

[Kaxter]

I would love to see a domestically produced AUG. I would pay upfront right now if I could get one.

 

[blfuller]

Hopefully if they do, they will go for the A2 version which has removable optics that can be replaced with a Picatinny rail so you could mount any sort of optic you prefer. The first version you had to use a whole new receiver to get the optics rail. The USR is the A2 version except with the lack of a flash hider and the thumbhole stock.

 

[Daniel Watters]

Personally, I think that DSA would have better luck if they were able to convince Vektor (South Africa) to cough up their tooling for the CR21...if only for fabricating the outer shell. While the original CR21 were built around R4 (license-production Galil) barreled receivers, it was rumored that they could convert any AK47-pattern rifle.

 

[ny32182]

I'm well familiar with both AUGs and ARs. IMO, the AUG absolutely kills and buries the AR in speed, ergonomics, toughness, practical accuracy and "cool" (among most other categories).

Well, everyone has their own opinion, and I would say the exact opposite. But it is also my opinion that choice is a good thing, and as such, I'm looking to see what happens with great anticipation.

 

[Jake 98c/11b]

I always figured the AUG was a decent special purpose rifle but not so good for general issue. Can't say I would agree with Warner but opinion is a subjective thing what works for him may not for the next. The limited field of view with the issue optic makes finding a target slow for me and the backup sights are all but worthless. I have yet to see an explanation of how a bulpup can be reloaded as fast as the AR and bringing the weapon back into a fight is a big thing as I see it, this is one of the issues I see with the XM8 from H&K a paddle type mag release won't be as fast as the AR.

 

[Wildalaska]

I'm well familiar with both AUGs and ARs. IMO, the AUG absolutely kills and buries the AR in speed, ergonomics, toughness, practical accuracy and "cool" (among most other categories).

Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Wildspacegunforpennyantearmies(exceptforaussies)Alaska

 

[Nightcrawler]

Oh no, here it goes. Somebody questioned the superiority of the AR-15, and now the big arugment is about to ensue....

Let's not hijack the thread, okay guys?

 

[BerettaNut92]

Nightcrawler, we all know the AK, not to mention the M-14, is vastly superior

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

eeh. i'd rather have a mini-14 than an aug.

 

[MaterDei]

Preacherman

Well, if they make it, I hope they put a better trigger on it - the AUG "issue" trigger is horrible.

I fired an Australian F-88 back in '97. Its trigger was fine as far as I recall; certainly no worse than an M-16's trigger. I hope that my experience is more indicative of what DSA would produce given their reputation.

MaterDei

 

[twoblink]

A Steyr a day keeps the BATF away!!

OD green, isn't as evil as black...

Nightcrawler, I've never once questioned the inferiority of the AR's..

 

[Onslaught]

There is no doubt that HK is building a US factory,

Nope, none whatsoever... In fact, if I haven't said it enough times yet... It's being built right here in my hometown Construction is already underway.

I really like the bullpup concept, and have always wanted an AUG... Being left handed, it's also the only one that I could own. I'd buy one if they were in the <$1200 range. Of course, it would take a while...

 

[Kurt]

Well, I don't know 'bout you all, but as usual, Wildalaska sure clarified everything for me on the issue!

Any speed the AUG loses on a mag change (use a mag to drop a mag), is more than made up for in its speed in getting on-target hits within the useful range of its cartridge. Comments like the "limited field of view" opinion and all the attempts to keep the poor AR's afloat make me wonder if anyone here has actually had an AUG in their hands, let alone ever practiced with one.

 

[ny32182]

I've had everything except a sig 550 in my hands.

So far... the Bushy superlight in my closet wins the award for best all around carbine I've ever had in my hands.

 

[Wildalaska]

Well, I don't know 'bout you all, but as usual, Wildalaska sure clarified everything for me on the issue!

Thanks!

Speakin as one who has owned and sold several, shot em in informal competions, shot em full auto in several configs, and as on who has a Post 86 DS AUG on the way, I think they are mega cool...especially at $1500!!!!

As to the rest....bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha....


WildnicetoysAlaska

 

[Knife_Sniper]

I always figured the AUG was a decent special purpose rifle but not so good for general issue. Can't say I would agree with Warner but opinion is a subjective thing what works for him may not for the next. The limited field of view with the issue optic makes finding a target slow for me and the backup sights are all but worthless. I have yet to see an explanation of how a bulpup can be reloaded as fast as the AR and bringing the weapon back into a fight is a big thing as I see it, this is one of the issues I see with the XM8 from H&K a paddle type mag release won't be as fast as the AR

I didnt realize that everyone who purchased a new gun would use it to clear houses. Silly me, I actually purchased some guns for the value to the collection and based on looks. What was I thinking? I might not be able to clear weak side corners with an AUG! Oh dear me what was I thinking?

Not every gun purchase needs to be tactical guys, lets not debate the different styles of rifles! Just chill knowing you can have both.

 

[Onslaught]

In an effort (useless I'm sure) to keep us on track, and avoid all the testosterone contests...

I'm fairly certain I have seen pics of AUG's with an AR15 magwell conversion... Anybody else know anything about them?

Now I'm going to grab my Red Rider BB gun... methinks Skunkabilly's in my back yard again... or is that the neighbor's cat

Knife_Sniper - I like you already

 

[Kurt]

Onslaught and Knife_Sniper,

First these weapons are about as “tactical†as us common folks are ever gonna get close to. I don’t understand why the non-serious among us, so often feel the need to advise the more serious over the content of some of their posts.

Purchase all the guns you want for collecting and fun, as it benefits the industry we all care about. Just don’t unduly worry yourselves when some wish to opine on the original purposes of these guns.

Forays into the more serious regions require considerably more knowledge and experience from anyone than “collecting†does, but I’m sure jealousy isn’t behind the need for some of you to pose as some extra moderator or something in these discussion, or even in keeping track of some members hormone levels.

The news of DSA’s interest in the AUG has been interesting indeed, but few, if any of us can further information that for now. I simply see these posts now gravitating towards the ups and downs of the weapon that they might plan to resurrect, and how can that be unwelcome. Either increase your knowledge base and participate, or in your own words…..just chill.

 

[Jake 98c/11b]

Kurt, I have done some shooting with the AUG but not enough to qualify as training with it (5-600 rounds?). I like the beast but I think the bulpup has limitations. On the AUG the scope is a small handicap but they do have an option that would allow a better piece of glass. Has nothing to do with trying to prop up the AR, I just had trouble finding targets with the scope. I like the reticle, I like the fact that it is a low power, field of view sucks because it is such a narrow tube.

 

[Kurt]

Jake 98c/11b,

Thanks. It is my own experience that the AUG shoulders very well, and the scope lines up instantly, and quite naturally. With the scope's low power, the whole world seems to just open up before you. It has never been anything near claustrophobic experience for me. With only the standard doughnut reticle, I find everything from tin cans at 30 yards and steel plates at hundreds of yards are easy prey.

If and when the AUG gets into the hands of more shooters, I believe its attributes will be more universally understood and appreciated. If ever limited to the 5.56 round, I'll take the AUG's quality, design and gas-piston system over any AR ever made.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

There is plenty to talk about on the respective merits of the rifles without speculating to possible jealousy of other members, hormone levels, etc. Also, if a particular aspect of the debate doesn't interest you, please don't feel compelled to comment on it.

 

[armoredman]

Emailed DSA - thier response....
Dear XXXX,
Thank you for your e-mail. At this time we are currently in discussion with Steyr regarding this model. There may also be a possibility for the Rhodesian brush camo in the near future. Have a great weekend!

DSA
Kristi
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXX XXXXX
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: AUG


Sirs, I have heard rumors you may produce a AUG clone in the US. May I also add, what a great idea! Thank you for making the best FAL clone on the market today - someday I'll have enough money to buy one!
Last stupid question - you offer a number of unusual camoflauge finishes - howabout the world reknowned Rhodesian brush camo? Especially on an SLR, that would be classic!
Thank you for your time.
XXXX

 

[Knife_Sniper]

Also, if a particular aspect of the debate doesn't interest you, please don't feel compelled to comment on it.

I was sarcastic because I dont want this thread to become a tactical flame war. I do understand the merits of each design, but hate when a nerve is pinched and somone starts to blast another style of rifle with everything they have.

I like this thread to stay about AUGs because they look cool.

 

[Warner]

Kinda like the shooting world's equalivent of a skateboarder?