DSA arms may be producing domestic AUG! Yay!

[Knife_Sniper]

Kinda like the shooting world's equalivent of a skateboarder?

No

Some guns I like to shoot for pure function, like a Remmington 700 in .243
and my AR15. (The AR fills two roles)

Others I collect because I like "movie guns" IE MAC-11/9s, AR15s, AUGS, SAR-1s, ect.

Others I collect for their remarkable aesthetics, like Uberti Carbines and stainless ruger Vaqueros with ivory birdshead grip.

^Others I want because of all of the above^

READ: FAL

By god if this isnt the most beutiful semi-automatic rifle on earth...

 

[Obiwan]

Yeah...be serious men!!!


So....what colors will they come in ....hmmmmmmm

 

[Knife_Sniper]

LOL

I hope desert cammo is offered or tan!

 

[Warner]

Sure, and with that DSA, I believe we’ve found some common ground.

However, if you treated say…race cars the same way, you could fancy the looks of this one….or that one, but that wouldn’t change the fact that they are all still race cars - and their “on the track†merits (or lack thereof) are still a very legitimate topic of discussion.

 

[ny32182]

Thats the point. I think DSA would be somewhat hard pressed to find a LOT of people that are going to pay what would probably be three times as much for an AUG as they would for a quality AR that does the same thing, give or take. FALs and AR-10s both sell, because their price points aren't that far apart, so it comes down to personal preference. With the AUG vs AR-15, even some people that might prefer the AUG if cost were no object, will be picking the AR-15 because they can get one for so much less money.

I'm sure there would be at least a limited market for the AUG, or G36, or Sig 550, but if that market is enough to keep them profitable, remains to be seen. I'm sure thats what the "discussions" are focusing on.

 

[Grump]

I might not be able to clear weak side corners with an AUG!

Don't you just shoulder super-high on the left, tip the rifle 90 degrees, skunch your head down low and let it eject down? After all, you ARE talking about extreme CQB house-clearing now.

 

[Knife_Sniper]

Question:

When Steyr imported AUG sporters, what was the deal with the tumbhole stock? Did it allow the rifle to have an extra feature?

Did they just put it into the design to appease the brady bunch?

Why would they put this on if they couldnt add an extra feature in the first place?

Sorry for the crappy picture.

 

[Absolut]

oh man, i better start saving now

 

[Obiwan]

Obviously the AUG suffers from the same negatives as other bullpups.

But they are fairly well thought of in some circles...

Probably worth a look.

 

[Kurt]

Nothing too obvious at all Obiwan.

There simply never were enough AUGs imported to be able to give most shooters a hands-on try, and thus a fair evaluation.

The AUG drips with quality while most other previous bullpup attempts seem to be done on the cheap, or actually did have serious design flaws. That cannot be said about the AUG.

I'd say that if DSA pulls the trigger on this one, and stays the quality route like they've done with their FAL's, many AR-types and others will finally realize a near perfect gun-match for the 5.56 round.

 

[Master Blaster]

I understand the need for handy and short.

It seems to me though after haveing held this AUG ($3600) and a bushmaster 17??? that the bullpups are lacking in the ergonomics and trigger pull areas.

The thing that would keep me form buying one even if they were only $800 like a good AR is the fact that I dont like my right eye 1" from and directly above the ejection port of any semiauto firearm. My ear as well is almost resting on the ejection port.

Forget about a case head seperation, just plain old junk and hot gass and debris fly out of that port after the gun has 50 or so rounds out of it. small chunks of burnt and unburnt powder, brass fragments all fly out of the ejection port of every semiauto I have owned, including .22lr rifles.

If I were issued one in the military I would be worried about being blinded in my aiming eye by flying crap durring a fire fight.

Isn't this a legitimate concern and one reason why many militaries have passed on the bullpup design????


I am also curious about the plastic bits in the firecontrol /trigger group melting comment made by another poster.

 

[Sunray]

No mention of them at all on their web page. They'd still be verboten in a lot of places either for having a magazine, looking mean or being greenish.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Isn't this a legitimate concern and one reason why many militaries have passed on the bullpup design????

The UK, France, Austria, Australia, and China all use bullpups. There are probably others. Israel is adopting one.

*shrug* I wouldn't worry about that the ejection and whatnot. People shoot bullpup .50BMG rifles all the time.

As for the not being able to do weak-handed corners....

1. With all of our modern technology, we can't make a brass deflector that would allow weak-handed shooting? It'd be a field-expedient solution to those times when you absolutely MUST fire your bullpup weak-handed. (You probably have to do it a lot less in the real world than you do at an "urban rifle" class at a shooting school.)

2. I know that everybody here has a big thing for "urban" fighting and "urban" training and whatnot, as it's all the rage now (it's replaced "tactical" as the latest gunrag buzzword) but the VAST majority of military engagements take place OUTSIDE. Even if you're in a city, hey, you're outside most of the time. Being within city limits does not automatically mean you need a special type of rifle. A soldier in the field just doesn't have to swtich hands all that often, at least, the armies of the countries I named seem to think so. I don't know if I've ever carried my SAW right handed. I view the shorter length of the bullpup as an advantage for getting through thick brush, in and out of a track, and for airborne operations, not necessarily for SWAT-style room clearing (though it'd be handy there too.)

3. Is there any particular reason a downward-ejecting bullpup couldn't be designed, so as to make it completely ambidextrious?

4. Is there some law of physics and science preventing a bullpup from having a decent, service-grade trigger? (Besides, the worst bullpup trigger couldn't be worse than the trigger on my SAW.)

 

[Obiwan]

I guess obvious was too strong a word.

What I thought was obvious was the whole brass ejecting back by your face...weak side barrier issues that ALL bullpups have...

I was not comparing the AUG to other bullpups....but , in fact, comparing bullpups to conventional designs.

But I guess it was not obvious.

The brass out the front idea a la P90 is a neat idea...but probably too complicated.

It would be cool if it could be engineered to bottom eject...totally ambi.

Chambers blowing would be scary as well, but I don't see much of that with .223...I hope

 

[KW]

If they could get the price down to about $1000 I'd defintely buy one. I already have an AR that I love, but variety is the spice of life.

 

[Knife_Sniper]

I dont see why not

I had an idea a long time ago about downward ejecting bullpups.

Could you not design a bullpup with the magazine slightly to the right of the rifles center axis and then eject to the lower left (at about 6:30 oclock) of the magazine?

Rifles feed doublestack magazines off center (IE feed ramps on an AR15 are off perfect center, but the round is lined up as it feeds into the chamber.

Couldnt a new bullpup with an offset magazine feed as reliably as a conventional bullpup? Of course, you would need a seperator bar between the magazine and ejection port.

A problem with this design is that it leaves a large opening on the bottom of the gun when the magazine is removed. Also, special double stack magazines that feed the round in single stack (ALA glock pistol magazines) must be used.

!0 \
!00!
!00!
!00!
!00!
!TT!
!ZZ!
-----

here is my crappy illustration.
0 = ammo
TT = follower kinda but not quite
ZZ = spring

What do you guys think?

 

[Nightcrawler]

I think that'd work quite well, actually. You could just make the weapon thicker, too, to accomodate a regular magazine. A weapon that's fatter than a regular rifle isn't going to be any less ergonomic, so long as the stock provides a good cheek weld and the grip is comfy. A funnel or something on the mag well would be nice, so the soldier could find it without looking.

 

[Triad]

That's not a bad idea for ejection, but the mag design causes some problems. Ever tried to load a few hundred rounds into pistol mags of similar design?

 

[natedog]

Any updates? It's been 2-3 months .

 

[seeker_two]

If the AUG deal falls through, I hope DSA will go after the Tavor next...

 

[Knife_Sniper]

They said call back in a month.

again...

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Great rifle, Seeker Two, but where is the charging handle?

 

[Soap]

The charging handle is on the left side at the upper front of the foreend.

 

[mrapathy2000]

steyr is setting up a building for import. no more third party bs accept distributing. hope AWB goes then we can get new AUG magazines and probably other goodies.

 

[shoobe01]

FN's funny .223 black rifle has downward ejection. No issues.

P.90s eject down. Not forward. That would be weird.

No AR mag converters for AUGs. They sell a 9mm kit, though. That would be nice to own. One of my favorite things about the AUG for a civilian to own is changing roles by barrel, not whole top end.

I do hope, if this doesn't fall thru, that they use AR mags. I like the AUG mag, but they are pricey. And a 20 would be better for some prone stuff. The FAMAS is usually employed with a straight 25 with is a lovely size. Much better than 30 for prone work.

With tac-slings, all the other gear you are wearing, and the lack of training most soldiers get, I think we might want to just drop the everyday left-around-corners thing. And some armies, like the UK, have ordered their soldiers to be right handed for decades. Training is simpler even before bullpup days.

The USR was foreign. Essentially, not enough US parts counts as an evil feature. So you have to add a pistol grip. A sufficiently US AUG would not be like this. This is a good thing. Compact, without need of a folder.

Like the poor thumbholes on the HKs, the USR had a terrible thumbhole tacked on. If you have handled a USR, you have NOT handled an AUG.

HK will not sell to civilians. They have said this. Do not look for their M4s or M8s at your local gun store.