FBI order for 2,963 Glock 23's.
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DustyVermonter
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6 mags is the perfect amount of mags to have for a pistol, no more no less, 6 glock mags is glock perfection
valorius
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A cop in my area just got fired for shooting himself with his glock then making up a story that a black guy shot him.
Glock perfection strikes again!
usp9
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My question is;
Why would bids be requested if the purchase was from Glock directly? No dealer could give a cheaper price and certainly another gun manufacturer can't. Who else would be the supplier? So, why the bid request if the product specified was a Glock pistol? Is this just a Govt. thing?
I'm a little surprized some other small parts weren't included, to keep their armourers supplied.
Why would bids be requested if the purchase was from Glock directly? No dealer could give a cheaper price and certainly another gun manufacturer can't. Who else would be the supplier? So, why the bid request if the product specified was a Glock pistol? Is this just a Govt. thing?
I'm a little surprized some other small parts weren't included, to keep their armourers supplied.
SharpsDressedMan
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Glock Perfection strikes again? Consider that the guy who shot himself & lied took himself out of law enforcement. Glock assisted in getting a lying cop off the streets. I'd say that IS perfection, and a bit of karma for the ex-cop.
AJChenMPH
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That may be coming to end soon. I met an FBI agent while I was working the G-20 Summit in Pittsburgh who is still allowed to carry his S&W 6906 (though it has to be worked on by the FBI armorer, so it's modded to FBI specs...can't remember what he told me they were), and he was telling me that the grandfathering clause was likely to end soon and all agents would be required to carry the G23. (Although, since I know an agent in Puerto Rico who was issued a G22 for on-duty carry and a G27 for off-duty carry, I suspect those agents probably won't need to switch exclusively to the G23.)Allentown said:
usp9
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This order is most likely for new agents in training at Quantico.
An edict came down a few years ago that the in house armourers would only work on Glocks. If an agent carried something else at that time, they were supposedly on their own for repairs. For off-duty, the G27 is very popular and I recall there being a huge demand around here then for that model. Agents were waiting for them to come in to local gun shops.
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I spoke briefly with an agent, several years ago. I asked him if they still carried any Sig pistols. His response ? " All of our Sig Sauers have been retired due to accidental discharges". I replied that the Glock is a shorter trigger pull. He replied " Yes, it is a short pull". "You need to be careful ". I assume he was referencing the Da/Sa P226.
waterhouse
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I don't know about the FBI, but in the Border Patrol we got 6, and I think it was mainly for training purposes and to have spares.
The academies have to have pretty efficient use of time in order to get agents out into the field as quickly and cheaply as possible, so class A gets the range for a 2 hour block and then class B gets the next 2 hour block.
You load mags while the instructors go over the teaching points for the day, and then you go shoot through 6 mags worth doing drills and such.
Then you reload all 6 mags while the instructor goes over the next drills. It's a pretty efficient way of doing things and seems to work well. You could argue for 5 mags or 7 mags I guess.
Most folks carried 2 spares on their belt and 2 more in the car/camelback, but some guys did carry 4 spares on the belt. I never saw anyone carry more than 4 spare mags.
I'm not sure, but I think so. I got to proofread an item request form at one point for night vision stuff, and the specs for the item we were requesting were basically copied off of one manufacturer's website for one of their models, but anyone was theoretically able to offer the product at their lowest price point. I think you nailed it with "just a gov't thing."
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ny32182
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Sell one of these to me, dammit!!
Glock could make a fortune selling these to IDPA shooters. They would be happy to pay 20 bucks or more a pop.
valorius
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I wonder if he said "I'm the only one in this room professional enough to handle this weapon," before he shot himself with his Glock.
REAPER4206969
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1 in the weapon, 2 as spares, 3 as training/backup mags.
REAPER4206969
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That's just how the G-man rolls.
Quantico already has all the Glock parts they want.
REAPER4206969
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Obviously Glock's fault.
Ok i am calling BS. The first trigger pull on a sig is a hard DA trigger pull that is ABOUT 100X harder to accidentially discharge than a glock is.
If he was referring to accidental discharges on a sa pull, that would mean either they cocked the weapon (not accidental..just stupid), or fired the weapon in SA mode after racking the slide (again, not accidental, just stupid), or fired the weapon in SA mode after realoading when shooting multiple mags (not accicental just stupid).
let me finish by saying ALL "accidental discharges" are not "accidents" they are user error and the result of stupidity.
If the FBI agents are so poorly trained/unfamiliar with their manaul of arms that they have THIS much trouble with accidental discharges....GOD HELP US ALL.
usp9
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Sometimes bad things happen during intense, high speed, go faster training exercises. I know an agent on the HRT that was shot "accidently" during training. There have been training fatalities. They don't train like normal people. It is dangerous work. Thank God for them doing it all.
The purchase process probably went something like this. The FBI requested $1,000,000 for new firearms. Someone made a decision to cut spending 5.2% because of the bad economy. That left Glock with a budget of $948,160.
Glock sent out requests to the various manufacturers asking how many guns + 6 mags, they could supply for $948,160. It is possible someone underbid Glock, but since they already had holsters, etc. for the Glock, they were given the contract.
Glock sent out requests to the various manufacturers asking how many guns + 6 mags, they could supply for $948,160. It is possible someone underbid Glock, but since they already had holsters, etc. for the Glock, they were given the contract.
earlthegoat2
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I dont really know what we are debating here but as far as LE in general goes, the Glock style pistols (M&Ps, XDs, etc.) are the only logical choice these days when all things are considered.
that has always been my minimum number...it is two sets of three. rather than rotate one mag at a time, i just rotate the whole set once a month
RedAlert
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About Govt contract wording. Often, the buyer, like you has preferences for one product over another. When it comes time to write the RFQ, the favored product literature is used as the basis for the description of requirements. Then the words are tweaked to sound generic, yet still encompass certain things only the desired supplier can supply. There might be other suppliers with most if not all the requirements at a lower price but not able to supply that one specific feature listed in the RFQ and thus lose the contract.
Govt, rules for many many years have specified "Lowest Bidder" rather than "Best Value" in contracts in the misguided belief, that the cheapest price is the best way to serve the taxpayers.
So long story short, Glock might have won based solely on price, or whim of the buyer, not because it was the best weapon. Still I'm sure it is a good weapon, just not my choice if I were the buyer in question
Ralph
Govt, rules for many many years have specified "Lowest Bidder" rather than "Best Value" in contracts in the misguided belief, that the cheapest price is the best way to serve the taxpayers.
So long story short, Glock might have won based solely on price, or whim of the buyer, not because it was the best weapon. Still I'm sure it is a good weapon, just not my choice if I were the buyer in question
Ralph
REAPER4206969
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The Glock won because it was the only pistol to pass the FBI's tests, including a 50,000rd. test. This was in 1998.
I've always thought they really were worth 200 dollars, or less. Looking at this price, and the magazines included, I think I'm real close.
That said, it is perhaps the lightest gun going, 31 oz, carrying 13 rounds. Anyone have a link to the 1998 FBI tests?
That said, it is perhaps the lightest gun going, 31 oz, carrying 13 rounds. Anyone have a link to the 1998 FBI tests?
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