FBI order for 2,963 Glock 23's.

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so, even the slowest 45 round exceeded the 40 in stopping power.
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To be factual, you should have stated it like this:

"even the slowest .45+P round, when fired from a 5" (or longer) barrel, slightly exceeded the typical .40 round, fired from a 4" barrel, in muzzle energy."


Yep, it takes a +P 230g .45 round, fired from a longer barrel, to barely surpass the muzzle energy of the typical 155g .40 round, fired from a shorter barrel. :rolleyes:
 
We changed to the G23 a few years back as the duty handgun. Price is right and that's a major selling point. But the fact is they do what they are intended to do and do it well.

The only problem to date was having my slide fall off during a IDPA competition when the slide lock spring failed. It's now changed regularly.
 
The g23/g19 is a great gun.

My first Glock was a 23C. It made me a Glock-a-holic, now have 2x g17s, g19, g26.

The 23C also got my father to purchase a glock after he shot it, and he is a SIG-head.

The only reason I traded it was to thin my calibers to 45/9mm/223.
 
Isn't it the G23 that has the notorious kaboom issue? Is that an old problem that has since been rectified?
 
It was the G22 that had the problem and it is pretty old news...it was addressed

The latest issue with the G22 was the feed problems when a weapon light is attached
 
I like them all, would have picked the 10mm, since they pay for the ammo to practice with. But there are some "small" agents otherwise that is what they would all be issued.
That was who it was designed for.
 
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unny, the FBI is sticking with the gen3 23's, rather than ordering the impending gen4 one's coming out next month. doesn't say much for the gen4's...
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I don't know that it says anything about the Gen4's at all.

Maybe Glock just wanted to get rid of the existing Gen 3 stock and offered the feds a better price than they would have gotten had they chose the Gen 4's?
 
"I don't know that it says anything about the Gen4's at all."

Agreed.
 
Agreed as well. Also, since the Gen 4's are newer and feature some design changes, they would probably prefer to stick with the field tested models I am guessing? Maybe give the gen4 some time to prove itself as reliable as previous models. My 2 cents :)
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
funny, the FBI is sticking with the gen3 23's, rather than ordering the impending gen4 one's coming out next month. doesn't say much for the gen4's...


good find, reaper!
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I would guess that the FBI has a contract that had specific requirements for the service pistol they originally ordered. When the manufacturer changes the specs for the pistol then original contract must be ammended. My department had a similar issue when changing from the USPc to the P2000 when it came out.
 
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I don't know about the FBI, but in the Border Patrol we got 6, and I think it was mainly for training purposes and to have spares.

The academies have to have pretty efficient use of time in order to get agents out into the field as quickly and cheaply as possible, so class A gets the range for a 2 hour block and then class B gets the next 2 hour block.

You load mags while the instructors go over the teaching points for the day, and then you go shoot through 6 mags worth doing drills and such.

Then you reload all 6 mags while the instructor goes over the next drills. It's a pretty efficient way of doing things and seems to work well. You could argue for 5 mags or 7 mags I guess.

Most folks carried 2 spares on their belt and 2 more in the car/camelback, but some guys did carry 4 spares on the belt. I never saw anyone carry more than 4 spare mags.



I'm not sure, but I think so. I got to proofread an item request form at one point for night vision stuff, and the specs for the item we were requesting were basically copied off of one manufacturer's website for one of their models, but anyone was theoretically able to offer the product at their lowest price point. I think you nailed it with "just a gov't thing."
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I know in the fire department, if we wanted a specific brand or item we wrote the specs so that no one else could provide it. They bid as close as they could then it got thrown out for not meeting bid requirements. For example if we wanted a Mack truck, we required the truck to have a MaxiDyne engine. It was propriatary and no one else could provide it.
It is a way of playing the system. You are required to but out for bid anything over X amount if buying it with tax dollars. It is just a way around the system.
 
I don't know that it says anything about the Gen4's at all.
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Right . . . the Gen 3 was the winner of the FBI's previous testing regimen. I would assume that they'd have to start from scratch--at a minimum, re-testing the Gen 4--if they were to switch.
 
Azizza said:
Considering the number of broken 24/7s I have seen, I must question Gun Guys Credentials.
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I have one a Pro in .40 S&W. Talk to be goose!
I carry my 23 or my 1911, I got the Taurus mainly because I liked the look. Can't say I like the trigger, tried it for USPSA and decided to go back to wearing out the Glock.
 
Glock doesn't have any "stock." They sell every pistol they make.
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Transitioning between old and new models is one of the most difficult inventory management processes any manufacturer experiences. Once a new model is to be announced, a manufacturer has to choose between running out of old model inventory before the new one is available, or having some old inventory left over after the new model ships. You can never get the inventory perfectly balanced. Running out altogether is distasteful for obvious reasons, so manufacturers usually wind up with more than they need of the old models when the new starts shipping.

With few exceptions, people tend to want the new hotness, so manufacturers wind up having to discount the old inventory to incentivize dealers and distributors to buy those instead of the new stock. Dumping the remaining inventory to a single customer helps avoid major price drops, which can slow the sales of the new hotness. Even better is selling them to an end-user customer like the FBI, since the discounted pistols never have an impact on the open market's selling prices.

There are a number of reasons the FBI might have bought this odd number of pistols, but it's not beyond consideration that they were offered a one-time deal on the older model to blow out Glock's remaining stock for reasons already described.
 
Transitioning between old and new models is one of the most difficult inventory management processes any manufacturer experiences.
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Glock is not doing any "transitioning." The GEN3 is their flagship product and will remain in production.

With few exceptions, people tend to want the new hotness, so manufacturers wind up having to discount the old inventory to incentivize dealers and distributors to buy those instead of the new stock.
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GEN4 models do not sell anywhere near the level of GEN3's.
 
Glock is not doing any "transitioning." The GEN3 is their flagship product and will remain in production.
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I guess I'm wrong then.

Color me surprised that they'd go through all the costs of developing a significantly different product line (retooling, retesting, etc.) without planning to actually transition completely to that line. But that's kind of OT for the thread, so I won't ask for an answer from those who might know.
 
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Thank you Fastbolt for that info. That dovetails with what an ATF person relayed to me at a gun show. I've also had a person involved with the testing of pistols for the State Police (I believe in MD or VA) say that malfunctions and parts breakage was way too high to meet their criteria. In his opinion (and mine) the old 220 was and is the cream of the crop in the Sig line. Just my opinion so don't be offended if you are a Sig fan.
 
No offense taken. I'm not a particular "fan" of Sig Sauer pistols, as it were, although I've been handling & shooting them since they were first imported as the Browning Double Action P220. I also went through the Sig armorer class a while ago. I'm somewhat familiar with some of the foibles and some of the occasional issues that have arisen from time to time.

I think the Sig line has benefited from a number of revisions and improvements over the years, and they're mostly a decent service-type pistol, but I've never cared enough for them to spend my own money on one.

If I did, though, it would be a P-239 in traditional double action.
 
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