Few questions about the HK91 clone known as PTR-91

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Ok, a local store has a brand new PTR-91 KPF, the kurz paratrooper model, with a 16" tube and flash hider, with a collapsible stock.

1. Is this gun worth the selling price, $1550? It is new.
2. Even though PTR91s have a good rep, should I still check for bolt gap? If so, can anyone remind what to look for?
3. Anyone own a paratrooper model and have problems with the folding stock during recoil?
4. Since the PTR is american made, can I buy german G3 furniture online and legally swap it out for the stock plastic american furniture? Or does this violate some ATF law?

thanks!
 
A few thoughts:

1) That seems a little high to me.
2) PTRs are as good as they get. If it's NIB I wouldn't worry at all.
3) It sucks, you will hate it after a magazine full :) Get the full stock version. The folder hurts like hell.

Their website shows list prices for everything. The collapsible stock model is dropped I believe. I can't imagine they sold many.

http://www.ptr91.com/products_ptr.html

CDNN had the standard models for $899 not long ago.

That collapsible stock is expensive, even in the aftermarket, but they truly do suck except for toy purposes in my opinion.
Quite painful to use.
 
I wouldn't worry about the bolt gap. These are new manufactured rifles. Quality is as good as it gets. I agree the folding and sliding stocks kick your butt (and shoulder). The G3 stocks will work. I got a beautiful wooden stock set from Dansammo.com They also have the green furniture if you are into that.

$1500 is steep. You are better off ordering one online and having it shipped to your FFL. Locally the best price I have seen is $1100.
 
$1550 is a bit high, but the PTR91 is awesome. I have the same rifle and have put about 1000 rounds through it. Do not feed it Magtech 308 win ammo, it will not cycle it reliably.
As far as recoil goes I can't understand what all the fuss is about. I must live in some physics altered state, but at 6' 0" and 175 pounds mine is very pleasant to shoot. I guess most people are used to AR's and 1022's:rolleyes:
 
hksw said:
Not only that, they're manufactured on former HK licensed machinery.
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So that makes them turn out Hi-Point carbines, now?

To the OP: The point being made here is that there have been 0 complaints (that I'm aware of) about the PTR-91 line of rifles.
 
So that makes them turn out Hi-Point carbines, now?
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Not at all. PTR, however, does NOT currently have a licensing contract with HK for their equipment.
 
CDNN sells the 16" Carbine for $980. The retractile stock is sold extra for $150. Personally, I think the retractile stock is terrible.
 
Hmm..

does anyone know a place in Houston that sells PTR91s? My only option that I can find is a Kurz Paratrooper model for $1550, and I'd like to see if I have any other options locally before I look online
 
I have no idea if this is correct or not, but I was told that PTR bought up a South African HK facility, moved the whole thing stateside, and started producing 'em to the same tolerances. (I was told this by the owner of my LGS, so I always think info obtained from sources like this need verified). They look nice and clean, great fit and finish on the ones I have handled, but the going price at my LGS is about $1200. I haven't seen or handled the folding stock version, but I really don't have any desire to either.
 
My understanding is that some parts are imported and therefor, you need watch your parts count still.

Due to the roller lock delay they kick more than you would expect from a semi. I originally thought about getting a collapsing stock, being that I can atm, but no... not unless I had some real reason that it had to collapse.

I don't think it was South African equipment, I had heard it was the Portuguese line but that the barrels were button rifled instead of hammer forged.
 
PTR-91 Inc. is making all the stuff in house from US made subcontract and on site produced parts.
There are no import issues with the firearms if it is a later version and I still don't think there are any problems with the early run rifles either.

The newer rifles feature the Navy style polymer lower receiver.
The railed handguards are pretty good.
The last folder stock version I saw came with a Choate side folder that was designed for the H&K Personal Defense Weapon.
This stock is way better than the original H&K collapser stock.
PTR-91 is now offfering a version with the M4 style collapsing stock instead of the Choate.
You will note their suggested retail price on the PTR website is $1440.00
so the shop offeredprice is a bit high and there should be some wiggle room there.

I don't know if these improvements justify that much of an increase in price as I bought my early PTR-91 with 18" barrel, flash hider,and fixed stock right after the ban expired for $725

That side folder carbine the shop had sold for $1095 and they have gotten standard full length rifles at prices that allow these to sell for $995.00 on sale now.

Here is their website for more information;
http://www.ptr91.com
 
Wow, how bad is that PTR91 collapser, honestly....
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All joking aside it's truly painful, slow to use, inconvenient as hell and unfortunately one of the coolest looking folding stocks ever made which is why we all keep trying the things.

Maybe the Sig side folders are cooler looking but they are even more a pain to use. They don't hurt as bad though.......
 
I have not tried that one or the AR style so I can't help much.

I just decided that a .308 wasn't something I needed a folder on anyway so I quit messing with it. Sorry.
 
Find a local FFL and then look at the CDNN catalog. Great deals on several kinds of PTR's.

The tooling was Portugese, IIRC. Quality of the PTR is equal or better to HK branded rifles.

The PTR91.com website lists out the US and foreign made parts. I think there may be a 922(r) issue if you go crazy with foreign replacement parts.
 
1. CDNN is top notch people. I've dealt with them several times and have always been satisfied.
2. The PTR91 is a top notch rifle. Just call CDNN and tell them what you are looking for. (CDNN also sell a Varminter, which shoots .243).
3. There are two "issues" concerning perceived recoil in the Vorgrimmler action: a) stock buffer, and b) muzzle devices. The buffers in the stocks of the collapsible and the folding stock versions have significant drawbacks. I have seen disintegrated buffers from the Choate more than once. The collapsible stock buffer is *just* adequate to prevent receiver dimpling, but does nothing to spread recoil out over the small footprint of the buttpad in your shoulder. A muzzle brake is a wonderful investment in these rifles, as it will ameliorate the recoil impulse, and make the muzzle more stable. There are many available.

With respect to the stock buffers, see if you can find an HK heavy buffer, either installed in a standard stock, or modify a standard stock to accept it. It spreads the recoil impulse over a broader moment of inertia making perceived recoil less, and is added insurance against receiver dimpling. --Keep in mind your parts count for 922r purposes.

Once you have finished tinkering with your rifle, you will find some really stellar accuracy and reliability from this platform. Cleanup is easy and fast.
 
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