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FFL transfer for rifle bought on Gunbroker.com

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Deckard

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I just bought a Swedish Mauser on gunbroker.com. It's the first time I've bought a gun not in person. I had my dealer fax the FFL today and all that's left is to send out the money order, but I've heard horror stories of people getting the wrong gun or the gun never arrives at all. I understand there is a certain amount of risk inherent in the system, but I was wondering if anyone has strategies of minimizing that risk. I'm thinking of sending the money order certified mail so at least I can know if it reached its destination.
 
I've bought several receivers of GB never had a problem. You can view feedback on buyers and sellers from previous deals on site.
 
My personal strategy is to buy from PayPal Verified sellers. I don't do money orders because I see them as almost like sending cash. At least with PayPal you have some recourse if you feel you've been cheated.
 
Paypal is a great idea, but do many sellers use it? I can't recall seeing it as an option on the items I've looked at. Had I been thinking of looking for paypal verified sellers I probably still would have bought the rifle. Damn thing just looked so irresistible.
 
Doesn't paypal forbid transferring money for firearm related items? If so, wouldn't you not have any recourse?
 
Paypal does have some restrictions about firearms but I do not know the details. However, if you use the PayPal Plug-In it can generate one time use credit card numbers for you. The money is drawn from PayPal for you then sent to the seller as a MasterCard charge. Not sure how that affects buyer protection if at all.
 
Use a postal money order and sent it in with the FFL copy via snail mail.

Then any hanky panky becomes a Federal offense. But the best thing you can do is simply check feedback
 
I already had the FFL faxed to the seller, but wouldn't the postal money order in and of itself make any fraudulent behavior a federal matter anyways?

I must say the seller has a decent amount of positive feedback, but call me paranoid I like to have my bases covered.
 
Never had a problem dealing on Gunbroker. Always check feedback, and read any negative comments. Realize that there's always bad customers, as well. I always look closely at a person's feedback history on all recent auctions.

Here's a bit of advice: if a person has a negative feedback report in their otherwise predominately positive history, look to see what the item was, and compare it to the value of the other items the seller has sold. If the value is low compared to other things they have sold with positive feedback, and they have received positive feedback on a more valuable item since then (or the person's recent positive sales include multiple valuable items), it is fairly safe to assume it was a fluke. Anyone who deals long enough is going to get one bad customer. If the person who left negative feedback is listed as "No longer a registered user", it almost always means they've been banned and it should not be counted.

I've done business on both Gunbroker and Ebay. Ebay as a buyer, and as both buyer and seller on Gunbroker. I never received feedback for a rifle I sold because the buyer dropped off the face of the earth after he received it. I've only been scammed once, on Ebay, and the aforementioned advice was how I ensured it would never happen again. Long story short, it was an individual who sold a lot of trinkets to cover up the fact that he was scamming people on the more expensive items. If I had applied the aforementioned examination to the guy's feedback, that would have never happened. I'm fully prepared to overlook a negative feedback if it is clearly not the norm for the person and the person has proven themselves by selling something of equal or greater value since then. If the person who left the feedback is no longer a registered user, I don't count it.

For payment, use money orders. They're cheap, and they make it a Federal offense if they scam you (although it is anyway, since it's almost invariably interstate and often involves a firearm).
 
I've bought every gun in the past few years from Gunbroker and sold a couple too. Just look at people's feedback. I have never had an issue with my 30 some deals there.
 
I've bought guns off of all the major online listing services for the last 8 or 9 years. Gunsamerica, Auctionarms, and Gunbroker. Again, as the folks have said, check the feedback. What I do for payment is use a "Teller Check" from the bank, which essentially looks like a cashiers check and everyone accepts it as such, but I can actually put a stop payment on the check if something goes south. Only used Paypal once and that was for the 50 BMG, but supposedly as someone else mentioned, they're not really gun friendly, so I wouldn't necessarily disclose it to them. They are after all, affiliated with Ebay, and we all know how much stuff Ebay has these days. Nearly zilch.
 
If the vendor has excellent feedback on gunbroker you won't have a problem.

I have over 60 transactions on gunbroker without a single glitch.
 
If the seller has several positive feedback's I would nor worry about it. I have bought many guns off GB. I figure the seller tries to present the best description of the gun. I enlarge the photo's and look very carefully. I never assume anything and ask a lot of questions. I always get what I expect.
 
Sending your Postal MO by Certified Mail is slow, but it protects you and the seller. I've had only good dealings with Gunbroker and these gun boards:)

The first time is a little scary, another thing I do is run peoples name through Zaba Search. http://www.zabasearch.com/

Good Luck!

I think someone allready mentioned it, but firearm fraud is a felony, not to many people want to risk that.:eek:;)
 
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Send a USPS money order via Priority Mail with delivery confirmation. Should get to the seller in two days. You can look on the web and check if it was delivered.
 
Since you all ready bought it seems a little late to not complete the deal. If you back out now you won't be able to buy a gun off gunboards again.
 
I have used money orders with no problems for all my gunbroker purchases. I don't know if Paypal is so great. But gunbroker also has an insurance policy where if a seller rips you off they will reimburse you for a certain percentage of the money you lost. But if a good and well known seller on gun broker rips you off, I think it would be easy to trace him down. Money orders are not cash, they have receipts and you have proof you paid him for the transaction. It is no worse than having your credit card charged at an online store or sending someone a check. If they took your money and kept th goods, you can fight them in court just as you would if you bought something online from a store with your credit card.
 
postal money order only, thats the only way I will get paid for a firearm I sell on auctions. If they want to pay by other means, check, other money order, it's a mandatory 10 business day wait. I only use paypal for parts, and I make sure that the paypal documents only have the auction number on it.
 
US Postal money order ONLY!!!!!
Buying or selling.
And yes, I had to use the USPS inspectors office once ;They must have some black German Shepards and turn them loose on the dirtclods.
It worked out VERY well for me and the turd had some terrible problems to deal with.
BUT BUT BUT
Buying from Gunbroker - AuctionArms - GunsAmerica is as easy and safe as any type of transaction you can have ( live or memorex)
 
Send a money order via USPS certified mail. I photocopy the receipt part of the money order as well as the receipt from the post office (it shows the zip code that you mailed your money order to) and email those images to the seller so he knows that I completed the transaction on my end before he even gets the loot. If you are really worried about fraud (and if you are, then you probably should have bought from a different seller), use a cc, as most offer fraud protection.
 
Check the seller's feedback before bidding (too late in this case). No need to use Certified Mail, as you can check to see if a postal money order has been cashed. Priority Mail and Delivery Confirmation are good ideas: Priority is faster, and so gives the post office less time do screw something up, and Delivery Confirmation combined with proof that the money order has been cashed would be pretty convincing evidence if something goes sideways.

Yes, it's technically mail fraud if the seller accepts a payment through the mail and then absconds with the money. Unless it's quite a large amount, though, or the seller scams a number of people, you're not gonna get much interest from the postal inspectors.

PayPal is risky for gun stuff. They will confiscate the payment if they suspect it's for "prohibited" items.
 
we do 15-20 transfers a week and some do go bad. ALOT of used guns are described and sent as 'new' guns. we've only had one major switcharoo...but it was for a very high dollar revolver. that one got handled by someone elses lawyers...
 
Since you all ready bought it seems a little late to not complete the deal. If you back out now you won't be able to buy a gun off gunboards again.
I did read the feedback before bidding and I never intended not to complete the transaction. The seller looks reputable, but I was just wondering if there were any little things I should probably do on the off chance something goes wrong.
 
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