FN FS2000
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Master Blaster
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I saw a write up for this in American Rifleman.
It has a plastic fire control group. Hammer trigger sear all plastic.
I cant imagine how that could hold up to the wear and tear of firing (Please dont tell me about how durable a Glock is this is a whole different deal)
AR also mentioned that they were less than impressed with the 12lb stock trigger pull, I dont imagine a trigger job is possible on plastic parts.
They also mentioned the gun weights 10 lbs with a loaded magazine,9lbs empty, kind of heavy compared to an M4.
It has a plastic fire control group. Hammer trigger sear all plastic.
I cant imagine how that could hold up to the wear and tear of firing (Please dont tell me about how durable a Glock is this is a whole different deal)
AR also mentioned that they were less than impressed with the 12lb stock trigger pull, I dont imagine a trigger job is possible on plastic parts.
They also mentioned the gun weights 10 lbs with a loaded magazine,9lbs empty, kind of heavy compared to an M4.
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lurkersince03
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Does it allow accessory add ons? I think bullpups, above anything else I've seen, benefit the most from some sort of forward/vertical grip sort of like the AUG. It could be an excellent CQB weapon due to its overall length.
The only downside I see is the price, but we all knew even before getting into this business-of-the-bang that firearms was going to be an expensive proposition, especially if our interests go beyond basic personal-carry/home-defense.
The only downside I see is the price, but we all knew even before getting into this business-of-the-bang that firearms was going to be an expensive proposition, especially if our interests go beyond basic personal-carry/home-defense.
All bullpups have sucky triggers, it's the nature of the beast.
I suppose you could make some frictionless trigger bar that that runs on roller bearings, and reaches all the way to the back of the rifle where the sear is, but it would be expensive, and a potential point of failure.
The two big problems a rifle's FCG would have are friction wear and/or galling, and peening.
I know MasterBlaster dosen't want to hear about Glocks, but if the FCG parts have better wear resistance, and resilance than comparable metal components, they'll actualy last longer than steel. I don't know what else to say.
I suppose you could make some frictionless trigger bar that that runs on roller bearings, and reaches all the way to the back of the rifle where the sear is, but it would be expensive, and a potential point of failure.
The two big problems a rifle's FCG would have are friction wear and/or galling, and peening.
I know MasterBlaster dosen't want to hear about Glocks, but if the FCG parts have better wear resistance, and resilance than comparable metal components, they'll actualy last longer than steel. I don't know what else to say.
Dionysusigma
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Like in the AUG... its entire control group is polymer.
I want one, but I can only get one when I can find one for under $500.
NFL. :banghead:
I want one, but I can only get one when I can find one for under $500.
NFL. :banghead:
BluesBear
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Accessory ad-on capability out the wazoo.
The top end where the rail is located can be switched out for an optical pod and other things.
The area ahead of the the trigger guard is factory configured as a forearm but can be removed and swapped out for a rail forearm, multirail forearm, a grenade launcher, etc.
I think the accessory/module options have only scratched the surface.
As for the plastic innerds. It's apprars to be that familiar white tough engineering polymultimiracledelrinlooking space-age stuff that holds up very well.
I've seen machinery gears made from this stuff that have lasted 20 years in constant useage.
I'll wager it holds up surprisingly well, every bit as long as aluminium. and if it does start to show wear, you just drop in a replacement assembly. No tools remember?
The top end where the rail is located can be switched out for an optical pod and other things.
The area ahead of the the trigger guard is factory configured as a forearm but can be removed and swapped out for a rail forearm, multirail forearm, a grenade launcher, etc.
I think the accessory/module options have only scratched the surface.
As for the plastic innerds. It's apprars to be that familiar white tough engineering polymultimiracledelrinlooking space-age stuff that holds up very well.
I've seen machinery gears made from this stuff that have lasted 20 years in constant useage.
I'll wager it holds up surprisingly well, every bit as long as aluminium. and if it does start to show wear, you just drop in a replacement assembly. No tools remember?
Stiletto Null
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Got to handle one, if not shoot it today. Handles/swings sweet. Standard BUIS could use some work (I prefer the beefier ones you usually see on flat-top ARs), but they're not any worse than FAL sights (makes sense, it's FN after all).
I wish the barrel was 20" long and a bit thicker (could use a bit more weight toward the front), otherwise I liked it. A cleaner trigger would've been nice, though; I couldn't decide if the damn thing was single- or two-stage.
I wish the barrel was 20" long and a bit thicker (could use a bit more weight toward the front), otherwise I liked it. A cleaner trigger would've been nice, though; I couldn't decide if the damn thing was single- or two-stage.
Nightcrawler
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When they make one in .308, I'll get married, have a son, and then give this child to FN to raise as their own in exchange for such a rifle.
Until then...well, I hope it does well. I'm glad to see all of these non-AR-15 clones making it onto the market. Variety, spice of life, blah blah blah.
Until then...well, I hope it does well. I'm glad to see all of these non-AR-15 clones making it onto the market. Variety, spice of life, blah blah blah.
Stiletto Null
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Maybe $1000, even $1200 cool.
pdowg881
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Too futuristic looking for me
Zundfolge
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I'd love to have one, but not at $2k. I too expect the price to come down in a couple of years, but I certainly don't see it dropping to $500 ... it'll always be slightly more expensive than a box stock AR15.
As for the trigger, I wonder why nobody has developed an electronic trigger for bullpups .... yeah, yeah I know, nobody wants to trust a battery, but most of these new fangled rifles require batteries for their optics so why not the trigger too?
I'm thinking a switch behind the trigger that controls a solenoid that yanks the trigger bar would be easy to develop, work well and give you a trigger that could be designed to be 100% adjustable (in travel, weight, crispness, etc).
Since I wouldn't be depending on this rifle for my life, I think an electronic trigger would be sweet.
As for the trigger, I wonder why nobody has developed an electronic trigger for bullpups .... yeah, yeah I know, nobody wants to trust a battery, but most of these new fangled rifles require batteries for their optics so why not the trigger too?
I'm thinking a switch behind the trigger that controls a solenoid that yanks the trigger bar would be easy to develop, work well and give you a trigger that could be designed to be 100% adjustable (in travel, weight, crispness, etc).
Since I wouldn't be depending on this rifle for my life, I think an electronic trigger would be sweet.
mrmeval
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Make a trigger for one.
I think you'd have to add extra parts to keep the ATF at bay. It's way too easy to make a solenoid gun shoot 'full auto' so they'd want some sort of disconnect or interruption that is hard to remove.
I think the only electric trigger on a bolt gun was a firing pin that was a part of the solenoid. I am not sure of the reasons but suspect it was speed.
Another used electricity to fire a special primer, I think it was a bust but had good reviews.
I think you'd have to add extra parts to keep the ATF at bay. It's way too easy to make a solenoid gun shoot 'full auto' so they'd want some sort of disconnect or interruption that is hard to remove.
I think the only electric trigger on a bolt gun was a firing pin that was a part of the solenoid. I am not sure of the reasons but suspect it was speed.
Another used electricity to fire a special primer, I think it was a bust but had good reviews.
starfuryzeta
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It looks like a fun rifle. However, there have been reports of issues with the disconnect in the hammer group.
Read up on the issue, a range report, and pictures from Cry_Havoc37:
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=200139
Read up on the issue, a range report, and pictures from Cry_Havoc37:
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=200139
HankB
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Haven't seen one yet, read the AR test.
1. Why is the muzzle brake permanently attached?
2. Funneling empties down a channel seems like a good way to cause problems under adverse conditions.
3. A 12-lb trigger is unacceptable.
4. $2k price is absurd, considering all the plastic in the rifle. FN must want to amortize their tooling in 6 months.
5. Forget 6.8mm . . . will anyone make a conversion to .50 Beowulf?
1. Why is the muzzle brake permanently attached?
2. Funneling empties down a channel seems like a good way to cause problems under adverse conditions.
3. A 12-lb trigger is unacceptable.
4. $2k price is absurd, considering all the plastic in the rifle. FN must want to amortize their tooling in 6 months.
5. Forget 6.8mm . . . will anyone make a conversion to .50 Beowulf?
beerslurpy
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Wow 2k for a gun with a plastic fire control group that is already doubling after the first range day. You can tell it's mattel.
The only upside is that it might get declared a machine gun and grandfathered? Problem 1 is that the barrel is so pencil thin that it would probably melt after the first magfull.
The only upside is that it might get declared a machine gun and grandfathered? Problem 1 is that the barrel is so pencil thin that it would probably melt after the first magfull.
Bart Noir
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I was with BluesBear.
The owner of that FN had already tried to cause ejection problems by shooting it pointed up quite a bit. No problems resulted.
I did wonder about him spraying bullets around the lower statosphere, but just told myself he was shooting up into a tree trunk. That's what I would have done at least.
Bart Noir
The owner of that FN had already tried to cause ejection problems by shooting it pointed up quite a bit. No problems resulted.
I did wonder about him spraying bullets around the lower statosphere, but just told myself he was shooting up into a tree trunk. That's what I would have done at least.
Bart Noir
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If he had a blank adapter, he could have tried it with blanks.
Not likely, since most civilians don't have one lying around, and there's no guarantee that one made for an M4, M16, or M249 would work with an FS2000, but possible.
Not likely, since most civilians don't have one lying around, and there's no guarantee that one made for an M4, M16, or M249 would work with an FS2000, but possible.
BluesBear
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The one Bart Noir & I were looking at is owned by one of the guys who works at our local indoor range.
He stated that he has hand cycled loaded rounds through it pointed straight up and says they "plop right out the end just fine".
I figure if loaded rounds push their way out then the much lighter empties should be no problem.
If it really worries you just point the muzzle down every 6-8 shots and let them fall out.
He stated that he has hand cycled loaded rounds through it pointed straight up and says they "plop right out the end just fine".
I figure if loaded rounds push their way out then the much lighter empties should be no problem.
If it really worries you just point the muzzle down every 6-8 shots and let them fall out.
HankB
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If it doubles consistently and predictably that might make it worth the $2k price to more people.
(On the other hand, would all that fun be WORTH a possible stint at Club Fed, or at least $20k in legal fees?)
Master Blaster
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This is from the owner posted at AR-15.com, FN told him they are expecting several rifles back for the same problem, well at least they are honest. Some companies will tell you your gun is the only one with a problem, even though you know 5 other shooters at your club who had the same problem, Cough, SIGarms, Glock, cough.
I dont think this is a cool feature, in fact it sounds like the gun can /is slam firing which could cause a Kaaboom right next to your eyes since its a bullpup
Father Knows Best
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I want one
Yeah, it's expensive. Yeah, 12 pounds is a heavy trigger. Yeah, it has a thin barrel. Yeah, it's mostly polymer.
Still, it is a bullpup, and I REALLY want a bullpup for my collection. It's also wicked cool, and very different. I've got M1's, an FAL clone, a G3 clone, an AK clone, and a couple of AR's. An FS2000 would round out the EBR collection quite nicely.
Now if I could just win the Powerball....
Yeah, it's expensive. Yeah, 12 pounds is a heavy trigger. Yeah, it has a thin barrel. Yeah, it's mostly polymer.
Still, it is a bullpup, and I REALLY want a bullpup for my collection. It's also wicked cool, and very different. I've got M1's, an FAL clone, a G3 clone, an AK clone, and a couple of AR's. An FS2000 would round out the EBR collection quite nicely.
Now if I could just win the Powerball....
Cesiumsponge
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The local gun shop here ordered up 16 and they all sold within two weeks. I saw one hanging on the wall when I walked in one day and forgot all about those. I figured I'd get to handling it later out of curiosity but next time I came back, they were all gone.
For a $2k rifle with next to no civilian-version reviews (that I could find), they sold pretty doggone quick. The people at the gun shop were pretty surprised too. I wish we could really get an affordable, good logging, ergonomic bullpup into the market. It looks a tad clunky and chunky but the one I saw had a flat top rail which made it look much less awkward
Other than the Bushmaster and this FS2000 (and the occasional ultra spendy Steyr AUG), there are a host of aftermarket or retrofit kits. I was hopeful about Ace's bullpup project from when they first released prototype drawings of it several years ago on paper, but it is uglier than sin after they posted pictures of their prototype here:
http://www.aceltdusa.com/Projects.htm
I would hope it gets a revamp aesthetically and that this prototype is mainly a proof of mechanical principle. There are also several different bullpup retrofits that are rumored or in the works. I believe someone wanted to do one for the FAL, and there is the .30 Hezi bullpup. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=184759
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I'd many more a beer before I gave that thing a hug. The FS2000 and AUG look great and are a blast I would bet, but its too rich for my blood. I'll have to wait for an affordable aftermarket commercial bubba system.
For a $2k rifle with next to no civilian-version reviews (that I could find), they sold pretty doggone quick. The people at the gun shop were pretty surprised too. I wish we could really get an affordable, good logging, ergonomic bullpup into the market. It looks a tad clunky and chunky but the one I saw had a flat top rail which made it look much less awkward
Other than the Bushmaster and this FS2000 (and the occasional ultra spendy Steyr AUG), there are a host of aftermarket or retrofit kits. I was hopeful about Ace's bullpup project from when they first released prototype drawings of it several years ago on paper, but it is uglier than sin after they posted pictures of their prototype here:
http://www.aceltdusa.com/Projects.htm
I would hope it gets a revamp aesthetically and that this prototype is mainly a proof of mechanical principle. There are also several different bullpup retrofits that are rumored or in the works. I believe someone wanted to do one for the FAL, and there is the .30 Hezi bullpup. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=184759
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I'd many more a beer before I gave that thing a hug. The FS2000 and AUG look great and are a blast I would bet, but its too rich for my blood. I'll have to wait for an affordable aftermarket commercial bubba system.
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