Gangbangers in gun stores?

[Lupinus]

If it walks and talks like one

I wont go out of my way to persecute someone, but I will go out of my way to avoide someone who looks off.

 

[Big Gay Al]

The shops I frequent have no problem throwing someone out who evens hints at a straw purchase. In one store where there are a lot of "kids" they throw out anyone who can't prove there 21.

They toss them if they're under 21? That's age discrimination! You can buy rifles and shotguns at 18! I'm shocked!

 

[Farnham]

I'll echo an earlier poster...what an ugly thread.

As for profiling, if you're not profiling, you're not paying attention.

S/F

Farnham

 

[IcebergDave]

I'll echo an earlier poster...what an ugly thread.

As for profiling, if you're not profiling, you're not paying attention.

S/F

Farnham

Hi Farhnam...why do you think it's ugly? Just curious.

 

[solareclipse]

Huh??

Huh what mate?

A lot of this thread at the point i posted was about judging people and inferring what they were about to do (along with kicking them out and whatever else was brought up).

And that is wrong.

What's not to get about that?

 

[UWstudent]

why dont we just bust out the racist jokes? LOL

actually, my good buddy mark (lets just cal him mark) is a young african american male with a strong desire to persue a carreer in law enforcement. last time we hit the range up together, i did notice a slight distance the gunshop owners engaged on him, but watching him MUCH more carefully.
they funny thing is.. the gun owners became much more relieved after they saw he was an owner of a 1911 kimber tactical. seeing he was an owner of a distinct kind of firearm that only knowledgable and gun-crazy type of guys would own, relieved pressure. then we all struct up conversations about how cool our kimbers are..

 

[Janitor]

Anyways you can say what you want about judging by appearanced and whatnot but when people ask specifically about silencers, even if you could sell them like this, you would seriously have to question why and for what purpose they wanted a silencer. I don't think I really need to spell that out LOL as most of you already know.

Yup. Most of us already know that a silencer could be used to protect the hearing of the shooter.

Don't get trapped by the anti theory that everything to do with guns has an evil purpose.
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[jtward01]

I have a question for any store owners/employees. If you see something like this going on, do you have someone go in the back room and hit BATFE on the speed dial? If so, what is their attitude about having a visit with the new owners?

I know you have the right to refuse to sell, but I've always thought it was very unfair to force store owners to essentially become un-paid agents for the ATF.

It can be damned dangerous.

A gun shop owner here in Florida felt that a potential customer was being too evasive so he refused to deliver a handgun following the three-day waiting period. The buyer went out to his truck and came back with a large sword which he proceeded to run through the shop owner. The two grappled on the floor for several minutes until the shop owner could get a small Beretta out of his pants pocket. He told me he just put the muzzle against the guy's eyeball and pulled the trigger four times, ending the fight.

The shop owner was hospitalized for several weeks and off work for several months. Last time I talked to him he was selling out his inventory and closing the business because he never recovered completely from his wounds.

 

[Stiletto Null]

So...in that case, gun shop owner was right.

 

[SilentStalker]

why dont we just bust out the racist jokes? LOL

actually, my good buddy mark (lets just cal him mark) is a young african american male with a strong desire to persue a carreer in law enforcement. last time we hit the range up together, i did notice a slight distance the gunshop owners engaged on him, but watching him MUCH more carefully.
they funny thing is.. the gun owners became much more relieved after they saw he was an owner of a 1911 kimber tactical. seeing he was an owner of a distinct kind of firearm that only knowledgable and gun-crazy type of guys would own, relieved pressure. then we all struct up conversations about how cool our kimbers are..

I am not racist at all. In fact, I ahve several friends that are black or African American and also had several in High School that all went off to distinct colleges to pursue their careers. I am not saying anything racist at all. I think some people have gotten the wrong picture. All we are saying is that there is a difference in some African Americans and others. You can tell a guy who is up to no good despite whether he is black, white, brown, yellow, or whatever. You can tell who is up to no good. I can anyways, then again I have always been a good judge of character. I always hear crap from gun store owners about the people that walk in and have even been there to see some shady looking people walk in, but I don't believe all of the racist BS they put out at the stores either.

I was in a buddy of mines dad's shop not too long ago and about 3 young African Americans walked in and I noticed that tension behind the counter at teh shop was growing, simply because of the way these guys acted. I also know what lays behind the counter and Lee, another guy that works there was going to get it as these guys walked in. Well, immediately this group of African Americans go over to the handgun section and tension really started getting high then, so I go over there and start up conversation with them to see how they acted. Needless to say, they were cool, we began to chat for like an hour and it turns out all 3 of them play basketball for Alabama. They looked kind of shady I admit, but you have to put all factors together before you start making assumptiuons about people, hell when they spoke they had perfect grammar, they joked around, etc. they were nothing to worry about. The tension behind the booth went down and that was it, they are now welcomed every time they go in there. However, as has been mentioned in the gun businees you never can be too careful despite anything. You have to watch out for everybody and that means people of all backgrounds. Later.

 

[SilentStalker]

Yup. Most of us already know that a silencer could be used to protect the hearing of the shooter.

Don't get trapped by the anti theory that everything to do with guns has an evil purpose.
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I hope you are being srcastic but your last statement tells me otherwise. You try and explain to the local PD that pulls you over on the highway that your silencer for your pistol is to protect your hearing LMAO. See what they do. Aside from that your reasoning is quite skewed. If he didn't know what an actual silencer looked and felt like, then that tells me that he has not been researching that as a possible means to protect his hearing LMAO. Get serious, silencers to protect your hearing, you got to be joking right? I mean come on a silencer as opposed to what some ear muffs? I have gone to the range enough LOL and I have never seen anybody bring in a silencer with their guns to say, "Oh it is to protect my hearing!" Everybody brings in ear protection in the form of ear muffs, not silencers.

 

[Janitor]

You're joking - right?

First off, you're flat wrong. There are many shooters interested in having a silencer to protect their hearing. In fact - one of them owns the forum your'e posting to right now.

Additionaly - I was only commenting on your statment about why somebody would want a silencer, not the way you characterized the people you saw in an "unregulated gunshow" (whatever that means - in most states there are plenty of regulations wrt gunshows).

If I had a legal silencer (very doable if you live someplace other than MN) why would an LEO give a rip why I had it? No excuse is all the excuse that's nessesary once you've bought your tax stamp.

LOL? LMAO? Ahh - we've moved to an AOL chatroom. Ok. LOL!

Edit: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=173981&highlight=silencers

 

[AnthonyRSS]

African-American is such a dumb term.

 

[Mad Bodhi]

African-American is such a dumb term.

Completely agree. I'm Cuban,Mexican ,French,with a dash of Apache. I proudly consider myself an ALL AMERICAN MUTT. Can't stand hyphenated Americans.YOUR AMERICAN!!, be proud of your ancestry but don't pull the hyphenated stuff.:banghead:

 

[MechAg94]

Definitely agree with that. I may be white, but you could just as easily call me a German American or part Scottish American or a chubby American. We are all mutts when it really comes down to it. We are judged by what we do and accomplish with our own two hands. That is what America is supposed to be about. Leave all the class crap and aristocratic elitism behind.

I have an issue with the "unregulated gun show" up above. I really don't want our gun shows "regulated". That is what the liberal Dems in some places want to do. Make it so person to person purchases are essentially illegal.

That said, judging people by what they do and how they act is natural for most. I saw some black guys leaving a show down here. Each one had a newly purchased SKS. No big deal. They looked like they were just buying a cheap rifle just like I was when I bought mine.

 

[mmike87]

African-American is such a dumb term.

Yes, it is. Especially since not everyone who is black is of African decent.

 

[CypherNinja]

Completely agree. I'm Cuban,Mexican ,French,with a dash of Apache. I proudly consider myself an ALL AMERICAN MUTT. Can't stand hyphenated Americans.YOUR AMERICAN!!, be proud of your ancestry but don't pull the hyphenated stuff.:banghead:

+1

I'm 100% Grade A All American Heinz 57. (no hyphens)

 

[KriegHund]

They toss them if they're under 21? That's age discrimination! You can buy rifles and shotguns at 18! I'm shocked!

Stupid business principle, theyre going to loss a lot of first time buyers that could turn into long time buyers.

Oh well...

 

[Sean85746]

Um...explain? I didn't say they weren't white...why did you assume that a straw purchasing gangbanger-looking guy must be non-white?

I think spiff was being ironical, or a the very least sarcastic...possibly even sardonic.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Sean85746]

Completely agree. I'm Cuban,Mexican ,French,with a dash of Apache. I proudly consider myself an ALL AMERICAN MUTT. Can't stand hyphenated Americans.YOUR AMERICAN!!, be proud of your ancestry but don't pull the hyphenated stuff.:banghead:

++++++++++++++++1

If pressed for a specific answer, I say I am an AMERICAN OF IRISH ANCESTRY, or an AMERICAN with irish roots.

AMERICAN always comes first. I never served in the Irish Army...lol.

Then again, I am 6'4" with green eyes, a few freckles, and light brown hair. Folks usually assume I am a paddy.

 

[Werewolf]

African-American is such a dumb term.

No kidding. Africa is a continent. As far as I know most blacks in the USA were not born there so how can they be AFRICAN Americans - they're just plain Americans like me.

Unfortunately the Democrats and many Blacks just don't see it that way. They want to be different. Acculturation is a bad word to them both.

 

[springmom]

stand down spiff

yeah, thats why we only sell to good white folks.

I think the issue was the straw purchase behavior...calling one guy to fill out the paperwork, calling another to bring down the cash.... that has nothing to do with color, has everything to do with behavior.

Springmom

 

[CombatArmsUSAF]

Excuse my ignorance, but can soembody explain what a straw purchase is? I have heard it numerous times and I know it is something like an illiegal sale, can you clarify?

 

[Farnham]

CombatArmsUSAF, a "straw purchase" is what it's called when a person buys a gun for another person that is somehow prohibited from buying that gun (felon, underage, non-resident). The prohibited person provides the straw purchaser with the money, points out the gun, and then takes possession of the gun from the purchaser.

Least, that's how I understand it.

S/F

Farnham

 

[Nightdiver]

A little skinny asian kid, didn't look no more than 19, was fixing to buy a Bushmaster. He was literally jumping up and down! I mean, he looked ENTIRELY too happy to be buying one. He paid cash, $1300 for this one. Yeh, the store it overpriced horribly.

That sounds like me when I bought my first handgun.